Why NCs are better...

[larrysputnik]

I don't necessarily agree with Mr. Svenson on this, but this is an interesting article that he wrote for cigar.com on the pros and cons of Cuban cigars.

See attached PDF file...

[Soulmanure]

While it does point out some important failures in cc's, especially that of consistency, the article is interesting for what it doesn't establish: whether nc's are in fact better. Perhaps we could call it, well, a draw.

[Lascaux]

Re: Why NCs are better...

For me a good Cuban beats every non cuban,
Hell even a bad Cuban beats a non cuban cos at least it had the potential to be good!
I like buying into a gamble. NC guarantees pleasant mediocrity, a Cuban tries to go beyond!

The article just argues the quality control thing, that and the price are the only things going for NCs IMO.

(sorry NC lovers, to quote the forum anthem "it's got to be a cuban")


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[Simon-JG-hr]

He does indeed write an interesting article, however, I have to say that it comes across as politically motivated, in places mis-informed and bigotted in its approach.

His comments about the government of Cuba are tinged with a little bit of hypocricy given the state of affairs which we've seen over the past year during attempts to get better healthcare provisions for Americans.

It's also interesting to consider some of his comments about Cuban factories - rather difficult, I suspect, for an American resident/citizen to have experienced them enough to write in such an authoratative tone on the subject...

I am not a communist, I'm happily liberal economically and right-wing politically (about as far from communism as you can get), so have no intention of defending the system itself.

One also has to remember that he has a considerable interest in this topic as a big hitter at an American cigar retailer. Surprise surprise, therefore, that he wants people to buy more non-Cubans (after all, it's all he can sell...)

I have enjoyed non-Cubans, and often find them better constructed, and I have enjoyed many Cubans (which I usually find to have better flavours).

[moppy]

He does indeed write an interesting article, however, I have to say that it comes across as politically motivated, in places mis-informed and bogotted in its approach.

Yep thats the first thing that struck me when I read it.

[daverave999]

Is he selling something?

[TJCoro]

Are You Experience. -J.H.

For me a good Cuban beats every non cuban,
Hell even a bad Cuban beats a non cuban cos at least it had the potential to be good!


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Muchacho Lascox,

Have you never enjoyed a well-aged A. Fuente God of Fire on a quite evening as a warm breeze whispers softly through the bending branches of a giant magnolia and lifts the hem of the loose-fitting frock hanging gently from the hooters of your mind? Hmmmm?


A fine cigar like that might change your mind about N/Cs.

[monkey66]

hmmmmmmm ....another unbalanced, pro NC article with an apparent covert back story.

There is only one thing that dictates my preference, that is how they taste/smoke. I have had the odd NC that I enjoy but that is it.

Better than good Cubans ...not in my book

More consistent construction sure, but Nissan's have more consistent construction than Ferrari's, does this make them better?

I bought three of CA's cigar of the year 2009 and it is an OK smoke (despite what several NC campaigners said on here it did not rock my, or anyone else's world best I can tell). Ultimately at ?30 or more per stick it cannot hold a candle to a serious CC. Don't believe me, line it up against a Boli Century BF or a Mag 50 LE2005 or an aged Lusi or an aged Sig VI or an aged Sir Winston or a Monte Robusto 06LE or an aged Fundadores ...all around ?30 and there are many, many more.

Of course this is just MHO but I am not posting articles 'why CC's are better than NC's'.


"Methinks the NC lady doth protest too much"

[Soulmanure]

I have to agree that the nc's I've had have all been consistent smokes, but, as of yet, they fail on the flavor game (so far--I've got some Arturo F's and Padron's waiting for a tasting).

But the article is falsely titled--it proves nothing about cubans in terms of the core issue of taste, and is a bit like arguing that a certain line of guitars are inferior because of construction issues even though they sound and play fantastically.

[tippexx]

All about sun, soil and slopes really.

Some places are fine. But just one is perfect.

[Stevieboy]

For me a good Cuban beats every non cuban,
Hell even a bad Cuban beats a non cuban cos at least it had the potential to be good!
I like buying into a gamble. NC guarantees pleasant mediocrity, a Cuban tries to go beyond!

Couldn't have put it better Mr L

[snooky]

Consistency is an issue , and i'm glad of the competition so hopefully these issues will improve, i'm glad there are many tastes out there, so i can keep trying the many different flavours, i'll never find the best CC or NC but i'll have a good time trying.

[larrysputnik]

It is nice to see that I'm not the only one to find it hard to buy into Svenson's argument. I was especially irritated by his comment that we buy CCs. for the chance that a good one actually made it into a box. As if to say buying a box of CCs is like buying into the lottery with the hopes of actually getting a winner in the middle of a bunch of turds.

With that said, I did find it enlightening that the mediocre construction and occasional "acrid" taste that I find in the occasional CC is a result of poor funding for the Cuban cigar industry. I always thought that the cigar industry was Cuba's biggest industry. Though, admittedly, my perception of Cuba has been formulated through American eyes and, as such, I know is flawed. I'm still learning about the misinformation on Cuba I have been given in public schools all my life.

But for arguments sake, let me also point out that many UK cigar smokers have only recently been introduced to NCs. Could there be a flaw in your arguments against NCs? Maybe years of smoking CCs has altered your palate to make it more difficult to enjoy new tastes in tobacco? Did you enjoy beer the very first time you tasted it? How about coffee? I know my first CC I was sure was a fake when all I had to compare it to was the taste of Padrons.

[cj121]

Interesting read, especially the vague ending about exploring the worlds' best cigars, that come from some other places on the planet Poor ending to his argument

Personally I'm still looking for affordable NCs that tick the boxes and ring the bells. Donations truly appreciated

[68TriShield]

In my warped opinion,the recent production of Cuban Cigars is hitting the markets the way it should be,well constructed and ready to smoke.
If I'm not mistaken,more people buy cigars to smoke right away rather than to age.
I buy to smoke and I couldn't be happier.