Wall Estate Family Reserve No. 1

[Niela]

Just playing devils advocate and im in no way against what your doing..... As its awesome...... But, you are advertising on a public internet forum relating to smoking. A forum which can be viewed freely by HMRC if they so wish.

I doubt there is anything to worry about and worst case someone would have to pay some duty, but again, NOBODY will check cigars forums to see if any taxes on a handful of cigars were or weren't avoided.

[ValeTudoGuy]

I doubt there is anything to worry about and worst case someone would have to pay some duty, but again, NOBODY will check cigars forums to see if any taxes on a handful of cigars were or weren't avoided.

No I disagree, the worst case is that HMRC hasstle Deano as the owner of a high traffic site which attracts hundreds if not thousands of page hits per day.

And if you dont think people in the cigar forum hemesphere have been threatened by customs or other involved governing bodies then i can tell you your mistaken.

[PeeJay]

No I disagree, the worst case is that HMRC hasstle Deano as the owner of a high traffic site which attracts hundreds if not thousands of page hits per day.

And if you dont think people in the cigar forum hemesphere have been threatened by customs or other involved governing bodies then i can tell you your mistaken.

I have to agree with everything Marc says ( except his spelling of you're ), that's why we're not allowed to openly discuss offshore sources and the evasion of duty.

[cj121]

No I disagree, the worst case is that HMRC hasstle Deano as the owner of a high traffic site which attracts hundreds if not thousands of page hits per day.

And if you dont think people in the cigar forum hemesphere have been threatened by customs or other involved governing bodies then i can tell you your mistaken.

^^^
This.

[Niela]

A. We are not talking about anything illegal. The kit is sold as a cigar rolling kit. So I would bet good money that NO customer of that site was yet asked to pay duty on any cigars they might or might not have rolled from this for their own consumption.

B. We are also not discussing anything illegal or ways to dodge taxes. So I don't see how this should be a problem in this forum.

C. What could have been an interesting thread about an interesting self rolled cigar is now a boring thread about taxes and forum etiquette.

Matt, I hope you don't got scared by the fear mongering to write us a review on the flavours you got from your stick. I'd still be very interested to read it.

[ValeTudoGuy]

Well im sorry you feel that way. I think your wrong to suggest "Fear mongering" though. But in response to your points.

A. The retailer obviously feels it has an obligation to have a visible warning in place. Avoidance of duty IS illegal and how readily this is enforced is no deffence in law. Or should we start encouraging people onto the site who sell dodgy fags just because it happes at so and so's workplace and they have never been caught.

B. It was only pointed out that there are duty obligations, pointed out for the benefit of members of this site and browsers of the internet alike. Are you saying that as a community we have no vested interest in making sure that we are not ambiguous about the forums stance on the law?

C. Just hit the ignore button of anyone who's responses you find boring. The discussion has not been stopped and it hasnt been suggested it should do.

I agree that it would be interesting to hear how Matt's attempts turn out.

Finally

I couldnt really care less about what individuals do and dont pay. But as an invested member of this community I do feel its my place to point out that the stance of the site is always to encourage adherement to all of the laws of the land.

[Deano]

Vale's answer is impressive, I'll leave it with that.
Suffice to say the point about tax has been raised as a a reminder, lets leave any further discussion there.

[Seegarnub]

I don't know about you Guys but I think it's time for a cigar!

[Matt Wall]

Sorry if this caused any upsets in the community, I only intended this thread as a bit of fun to let you all see how my little experiment turns out. I'm not saying that making cigars is a good and profitable thing to, it's just a little fun and something that I will probably do once and then realise that I should have just bought a few Por Larranaga's instead.
Hope this ends peacefully with everyone, as a small but passionate community we all need to stick together. I will happily pay the few quid on taxes if needs be.
Let's all just enjoy our cigars, I'll leave it there


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[Niela]

I think I just go with suggestion C.

[JoeyGunz]

I doubt there is anything to worry about and worst case someone would have to pay some duty, but again, NOBODY will check cigars forums to see if any taxes on a handful of cigars were or weren't avoided.

Ignorance is bliss but your ignorane is prevalent here.

[pootana]

Hmrc will have in tell officers who trawl known sites for intel to develop .... However on the grand scale I think the OP won't need to go into hiding yet

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[Seegarnub]

I've just fired up an Epi No.2 and remember the immortal phrase I once heard in an interview with Mr. Schwarzenegger - "Cigars were invented to solve the problems of the world"

[Matt Wall]

^ very true Seegarnub


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[Niela]

so, how do they smoke?