Butters!

[TJCoro]

Support the local sheriff!

Although I am smoking a Cohiba as I type this I concur wholeheartedly amigo

Muchas Gracias, Amigo. Your support is always appreciated.

Perro, el Perro

Hey el Perro! Why can't the other lads be more like se?or peasinhisjays?

Haha! That's like asking why can't a woman be more like a man!

(Harrumph!) Once a boob, always a boob, right Ray Jay you douche bag?

[butternutsquashpie]

Now, as the wise old se?or simplesimon suggested ....BACK TO TOPIC...whatever the hell that was!!

Haha! What's a matter, dawg face....loose a big bet last night!

Yeah..... back to a topic titled 'butters'.
At least you had something pertaining to cigars!



Also.... big bet!? AGAINST the pats!?
i also doubt any of our 'british chums' gets the reference.

[TJCoro]

Whatever!

Also.... big bet!? AGAINST the pats!?
i also doubt any of our 'british chums' gets the reference.

Haha! What the Hell ya' talkin' about, chico? I'm always surprised ANYONE gets my references, let alone the - how you say - "british chums'."

No matter, as long as chicos blu-balls, BJ andyou get it, I'm happy.

Jay, Ray Jay

Hey Ray Jay! I always get your stuff and it makes me laugh!

That's right...with you and at you! Mostly at you, I think...

[butternutsquashpie]

Harrumph! Okay...okay, enough of the NC bashing. Clearly some of you have little experience with NCs or you wouldn't make such broad, sweeping comments.

woah woah! we weren't bashing NCs! Just the.... *ahm* BUTTERY ones.

Had a few 25 YO Non-Cubans over the weekend and they've convinced me to age some good ones for at least 10 years before smoking. flavours you'd never get in a regular cuban or aged cuban...

[TJCoro]

aging brain

woah woah! we weren't bashing NCs! Just the.... *ahm* BUTTERY ones.

Had a few 25 YO Non-Cubans over the weekend and they've convinced me to age some good ones for at least 10 years before smoking. flavours you'd never get in a regular cuban or aged cuban...

lol i no not waht yo is but if i am honest i had only a few ncs that benefit from aging most are fine at purchase point but in my view few improve with age but taht just me haha good by

bb

[butternutsquashpie]

good by

Good bye, bb.... Nighty night.

Anyway... Really? Few NCs that benefit from age? Is that just because of of the new revelations post- cigar boom? Opus Xs apparently need more than a decade of age before you can light them up. Otherwise, they're just harsh and blistering.
The 25YO smoke a while back was an Avo Churchill and I could easily say it was one of the best Non-Cubans and most complex smokes I've ever had. I was also given some 20+ YO Oliva V Maduro Double Coronas that I am very, VERY interested in. If they turn out to be even half of what the AVOs are, I wouldn't hestitate in stocking up two boxes every year of Oliva Maduros and paying it forward to myself 20 years later.

[TJCoro]

underaged brain

Good bye, bb.... Nighty night.

Anyway... Really? Few NCs that benefit from age? Is that just because of of the new revelations post- cigar boom? Opus Xs apparently need more than a decade of age before you can light them up. Otherwise, they're just harsh and blistering.
The 25YO smoke a while back was an Avo Churchill and I could easily say it was one of the best Non-Cubans and most complex smokes I've ever had. I was also given some 20+ YO Oliva V Maduro Double Coronas that I am very, VERY interested in. If they turn out to be even half of what the AVOs are, I wouldn't hestitate in stocking up two boxes every year of Oliva Maduros and paying it forward to myself 20 years later.

if i am honest i have smoked plenty of nc cigars that are much older than you chico and imo most were no better and in some case not as good as when they were bought but a few exceptions were noticed such as indian tobac for one but this is my opinion to my eyes from years of enjoying puros and fine ncs but taht is just me i am not you you brain fart lol so there and goodbye i said goodbye

bb

[butternutsquashpie]

if i am honest i have smoked plenty of nc cigars that are much older than you chico and imo most were no better and in some case not as good as when they were bought but a few exceptions were noticed such as indian tobac for one but this is my opinion to my eyes from years of enjoying puros and fine ncs but taht is just me i am not you you brain fart lol so there and goodbye i said goodbye

Aside from the aneuryms these posts are giving me, there seems to be actual good information here.

Indian tobacco.... eh?

[groundhog]

I am so glad that NCs exist - good NC manufacturers are a lot less lazy than their Cuban counterparts -
imho a lot of the time, the Cuban approach is - fuck it, we're Cuba! If we make them, they will sell.... Because, well, because Cuba.
NCs don't have that cachet. So they have to work on things like blend, quality control (something Cuba has absolutely no fricking clue about AT ALL) and presentation.
Yes, some of the sticks produced are gimmicky - so ignore them - and move on to the meat of the NC market - some of the sticks they have are beyond amazing.
My humis are about 76/24 NC/CC
I have lost count of the number of ccs I've had with poor construction, plugged, etc. I know exactly how many NCs that has happened with. One.
And If I'm going to sit down for a nice relaxing smoke, I like those odds very much with an NC. With a CC it's a frigging lottery.

[sheppsea]

I sometimes wonder if I've been astonishingly lucky with CCs, excluding a couple of cigars from the infamous 'bad years' I don't have particularly big problems, the burn is slightly uneven occasionally or the draw might be a bit tight, but I very rarely have any that are full on plugged (as I said, apart from some from around about 2000)

I certainly don't consider it a lottery with CCs, and I think that if there is a risk its certainly worth taking - in my experience the best CCs completely outshine any NCs I have tried

I'm by no means an NC basher but when I look at the best cigars I have smokes NCs never feature very highly (even when I smoked more of them)

[tippexx]

I smoke the occasional NC, most I find to be overpowered and not overly interesting. But every now and again there has been a gem that defies expectation. I've not smoked an NC with 20 years on it, but in the humi I have a few Padron that must be running up to nearly 10.

Groundhog's point about construction has been accepted by cigar smokers for a long while. But that might be changing, Cuban construction I think, has improved over the last few years. NC may be in danger of going backwards.

This .... http://cigarobsession.com/2015/03/18...igar-industry/ .... is a worry.

[Bob123]

Butters!

You should try Liga Privada No.9 IMHO perfect balance :-)
Usually I smoke Cuban as a starter and then some NC maduro ...

[ValeTudoGuy]

This .... http://cigarobsession.com/2015/03/18...igar-industry/ .... is a worry.

Theres too much of this kind of "reporting" going on in the cigar world..... "Ok guys I got a scoop, but I can't say who or where or when.... You just gotta trust me..... But seriously guys it's a great scoop!"

[tippexx]

But, it is the cigar world Marc, it's this sort of thing which gives us all something to chat about even if it is all bullshit .... which is mostly the cigar language we speak in anyway!

[PeeJay]

But, it is the cigar world Marc, it's this sort of thing which gives us all something to chat about even if it is all bullshit .... which is mostly the cigar language we speak in anyway!

Nailed it in one, some people take it all far too seriously images.jpeg