New in the humidor!

[the cigar kid]

This. My klarsten took nearly 3 weeks (it was slightly bigger though)

What was your RH like while you were seasoning it?

I am getting a little frustrated with mine however it might be completely normal, however there is so little information I just dont know. My RH goal is 62% @ 20c. However it is currently sitting at 74% @20c.

For humidification I am using two methods (Ingenious plan), I have two 62% Boveda packs, these are to maintain the humidity. I then have the cigar oasis which is set to come on at 61.5% RH. This way, when the Boveda packs dry out a bit, they will get recharged by the Oasis but keep it at a constant 62%~.

I put the packs in yesterday however im my frustration, I opened the unit up and aired it out for a few hours today as I wanted the RH to drop! However I am still getting the same results.

[Hookmaker]

There are many factors to consider. What is the Rh in the room where the humi is placed? If it?s 82 you?ll never be able to get down on 62. If you place boxes seasoned anywhere else in the humi and they?re all 70, then it?ll take a looong time to get them down to 62. And so forth. Post some more info and that will give a broader picture.


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[the cigar kid]

There are many factors to consider. What is the Rh in the room where the humi is placed? If it?s 82 you?ll never be able to get down on 62. If you place boxes seasoned anywhere else in the humi and they?re all 70, then it?ll take a looong time to get them down to 62. And so forth. Post some more info and that will give a broader picture.

The humidor is setup in my office, under my desk. The room usually pretty well ventilated and on the hygrometer it is currently sat at 23.5c and 58% RH.

The humidor itself has lowered over night; at the bottom the cigar oasis is saying 68% RH, in the middle I have a Calibre III which is saying 69% RH and at the top is my Boveda butler which is sat at 71% now. It is also empty of cigar, it only the cedar shelves installed plus two pieces of cedar to prop the cigar oasis up a little.

My cigar are in the Germanus humidor which has 69% RH Pack in. Is it worth removing these packs to bring the cigars RH down so that they wick up some on the RH when I put them inside the Klarstein?

[ha_banos]

you worry too much!

[the cigar kid]

you worry too much!

These Monte 2's are my first big investment into cigars! I am worried about screwing them up!

[Vitola]

These devices take a while to settle down - remember with cigars it doesn't pay to rush things. You're in the ball park area of where you want to be, just don't sweat about it. The humidor will settle - just give things time and like Ha_banos says - don't worry.

I'm seasoning a new Coolidor at the moment - using distilled water in the active part, and 85% Boveda packs to help the cedar shelving wick up some moisture. My target is 65%, and it's hovering around 64 - 69 at the moment - couple more days like this and as soon as my 65% heartfelt beads go in she will be good to go......

[Hookmaker]

1. Germanus humidor: IF it’s a solid humidor with good closure, cigars and boxes can hold humidity pretty well. So if you’re higher on humidity than you want to be, then remove the Rh pack and let the humidity slowly descend to desired level before adding a Rh pack. This may take a looong time mind you
2: the Klarsten: does it have temp control? If so there’s probably a cooling unit, and this may cause problems, because cooling will ventilate to the outside and will remove humidity, making humidity of an empty chamber move quickly up and down. I would never use an actively cooling unit due to this factor. I know some good one exists but nevertheless I wouldn’t. I use a wine cabinet (coolidor) switched off, but it’s placed in a 18 deg C wine cellar. If you have it in an office of 23 deg C then of course that creates a problem, since that temp is not good for the cigars. In stead find a place with cooler temp.
Also it’s very hard to control and monitor Rh in an empty chamber - if you open only slightly the Rh will move significantly because equilibrium to the outside occurs rapidly.
What do you mean seasoning the shelves? Are they wet or damp? Then they will give off a lot of humidity and therefore need to dry outside for some days.

Anyways, under normal circumstances I would move the klarsten to a lower temp environment, fill it with my cigars, place a few Boveda packs of the desired Rh in or set the Humidifier to that same Rh and monitor what happens. It may take time, but your cigars will not be harmed, since it is very unlikely the Rh would fall below 60, higher -even 70-75 will not be a problem, except that may be outside your desired smoking Rh. Remember in Cuba when smoking cigars, the Rh is way beyond 80 % Rh

[the cigar kid]

1. Germanus humidor: IF it’s a solid humidor with good closure, cigars and boxes can hold humidity pretty well. So if you’re higher on humidity than you want to be, then remove the Rh pack and let the humidity slowly descend to desired level before adding a Rh pack. This may take a looong time mind you
2: the Klarsten: does it have temp control? If so there’s probably a cooling unit, and this may cause problems, because cooling will ventilate to the outside and will remove humidity, making humidity of an empty chamber move quickly up and down. I would never use an actively cooling unit due to this factor. I know some good one exists but nevertheless I wouldn’t. I use a wine cabinet (coolidor) switched off, but it’s placed in a 18 deg C wine cellar. If you have it in an office of 23 deg C then of course that creates a problem, since that temp is not good for the cigars. In stead find a place with cooler temp.
Also it’s very hard to control and monitor Rh in an empty chamber - if you open only slightly the Rh will move significantly because equilibrium to the outside occurs rapidly.
What do you mean seasoning the shelves? Are they wet or damp? Then they will give off a lot of humidity and therefore need to dry outside for some days.

Anyways, under normal circumstances I would move the klarsten to a lower temp environment, fill it with my cigars, place a few Boveda packs of the desired Rh in or set the Humidifier to that same Rh and monitor what happens. It may take time, but your cigars will not be harmed, since it is very unlikely the Rh would fall below 60, higher -even 70-75 will not be a problem, except that may be outside your desired smoking Rh. Remember in Cuba when smoking cigars, the Rh is way beyond 80 % Rh

Okay, I will remove a few packs in the Germanus so it can come down in RH a bit. Then I can move them all over a little time later.

Yeh, it is temperature controlled. I have set it to 20c which is what it has been sat at for quite a while. It kicks on every hour or two for a few seconds before flicking off again.

The shelves were seasoned to what Klarstein says. Lightly with a fresh sponge and a tiny bit of distilled water. Just enough to get the cedar to change colour. I will give it a week and see if the RH drops. I mean, it has already gone down siginificantly over night.

If the Humidor reduces a little it will be perfect. 62% RH towards the bottom for my Cubans and slightly higher towards the top for my New worlds.

[ha_banos]

Where your hygrometer settles now. Add your cigars and boxes in there. And start all over again!

[Vitola]

Henrik, I don't believe Klarstein or any other cigar coolers work in such a way. They are thermo-electric coolers and use an effect called the "Peltier Effect" for maintaining temperature within the sealed cabinet of their coolidors. Its the solid state heat pump that vents to the outside world, not the internal cabinet volume of the coolidor. Wine coolidors on the other hand do vent to the outside world as they usually contain some form of drain for getting rid of moisture/condensation build up which comes with storing glass/liquids at cold temperatures

[Hookmaker]

Henrik, I don't believe Klarstein or any other cigar coolers work in such a way. They are thermo-electric coolers and use an effect called the "Peltier Effect" for maintaining temperature within the sealed cabinet of their coolidors. Its the solid state heat pump that vents to the outside world, not the internal cabinet volume of the coolidor. Wine coolidors on the other hand do vent to the outside world as they usually contain some form of drain for getting rid of moisture/condensation build up which comes with storing glass/liquids at cold temperatures

Great, then I?ve learned something new, and this of course is positive with respect to the above[emoji106]


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[Tomm783]

Henrik, I don't believe Klarstein or any other cigar coolers work in such a way. They are thermo-electric coolers and use an effect called the "Peltier Effect" for maintaining temperature within the sealed cabinet of their coolidors. Its the solid state heat pump that vents to the outside world, not the internal cabinet volume of the coolidor. Wine coolidors on the other hand do vent to the outside world as they usually contain some form of drain for getting rid of moisture/condensation build up which comes with storing glass/liquids at cold temperatures

You?re absolutely correct however, the big klarstein I bought wanted to keep upping the humidity to 70 (couldn?t adjust it lower) and then did a strange purge after about an hour or so which dropped the humidity to the 50?s for it all to start over again. I got so annoyed with it (and believe it isn?t actually a thermoelectric setup) I turned the compressor off and just use beads in there. Also, with nothing in the water reservoir it mad a horrible clunking noise.

Too much of a ball ache to run I don?t cool the cigars just use beads to keep the humidity stable.

Klarstein themselves were hopeless in helping me understand what was happening so left it at that! It?s a good cabinet thought!


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[Vitola]

New in the humidor!

Which Klarstein model do you have? Is temp and humidity or just temp?


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[ha_banos]

OMG. Wooden boxes are so much simpler.

[the cigar kid]

Which Klarstein model do you have? Is temp and humidity or just temp?

I have got the Klarstein El Presidente 33L, I assume Tom has got El Presidente 65L