Gamu from the X Factor

[Lionhound]

On a slightly different tack here but on the basis that as Mrs Gamu has at least been working in this country unlike many who are here "illegally" wtf do the border agencies do as regards keeping records etc when it appears they have only suddenly remembered the family in the light of Gamu appearing on national tv!!!

[daverave999]

Saw this on Twitter earlier and it made me laugh:
"Wait, they've started deporting the people that don't win X Factor? That's exactly opposite of my idea."
I have no opinion on this person though.

[Gordonbcb]

This used to be a cigar forum. Have you seriously got nothing better to do than discuss this toss?

The following is a list of topics discussed on here in the last few weeks:

James Bond
Cars
Shaving
Boardwalk Empire
Ryder Cup
The Globe Theatre

Perhaps you can let me know what any of these subjects have to do with cigars? Maybe the clue is in the title "General Off-Topic Chat".

Besides, it was only meant to be a flipant comment on a Saturday night TV show, not an in depth debate on the merits of the UK immigration system.

[MarkSDMF]

More to the legal point though. If someone is stupid enough to go on international television without being a LEGAL migrant, then does that not deserve deportation.

If I was in Australia, without legal documentation, and I was to apply for Australia's got talent, I would be deported too. So those who say ''No no ! she should't have been deported'' Look at it logically please.

On lighter note, get them all to buggery :P

[cigarboozer]

i heard terrorism laws allow people to stay in the country indefinitely












and xfactor is terrorism......................................... .....



qed.

[peanutpete]

a lot of you seem to know a lot about it considering how much your slagging it off but i bet most will be watching tonight and come on it great entertainment and thats all its meant to be

[MarkSDMF]

Pete, I have to say that the xfactor is not just entertainment, simon cowell and his whole company are monopolising bullies and destroying the music culture as we know it, which is not in ghe best of shapes anyway lol

[peanutpete]

mark have to disagree there has never been so many bands around and with the onset of youtube it has never been easier to listen to new music, the music charts has always had crap in it, and alway will,after all does listening to x factor make you like a certain type of music more? i would say no, if you like jazz you will listen to jazz but you can still watch x factor for entertainment without likeing the music

[MarkSDMF]

Yeah but were talking about the mindless society mate. Thats the ones that let these people get away with what they get away with. You know where im coming from.

For example, the xfactor mob have had Christmas number 1 for something like 3/4 years in a row until like minded people said F*** you we wont do what you tell me and and put RATM to the top of the charts, that would never have happened if no-one realised that the shit they are putting out is so superficial.

[ChrisMClark]

The music industry is nothing to do with music anyway, and neither is the X factor. It's more about image, and the X factor is more about searching for someone marketable rather than someone with the talent to deserve the fame they get.

[MarkSDMF]

So there for the music suffers no ?

[ChrisMClark]

The industry suffers yes, but music doesn't. No matter how bad the contestants on the X factor are they won't make the good bands and artists out there any worse. They do make it harder for the decent bands to be noticed. The thing that really grips me is, like last night (NO! I wasn't watching, my wife does though), is that no matter how shocking an act is, by the live shows the judges will do nothing other than tell hem all how great they are.

I think last Christmas spoke for itself. No matter how many people watch the X factor, more people don't and are sick of it. The shite thing is once the X factors done with it'll be time for the next talent 'who's got the best sob story' show.

I'm only glad the X factor is on ITV so they're not getting my license money.

[monkey66]

It has always been hard for 'real' music to get through to popular music markets. This situation has existed long before the x-factor. The charts have always been rigged (for want of a better phrase) big the big labels.

Indeed I would argue that due to the advent of YouTube, MySpace, viral marketing and downloading (including the charts being download based now), combined with the growth in music festivals the opportunities for 'real' artists are the strongest they have been for decades.

anyone who has spent the 80's/90's doing pub gigs, making demo's and trying to get anyone to listen to their music I suspect will agree.

The x-factor has it's place, it gives opportunities for some great (and some crap) artists who would simply not get out there any other way. It is very easy to slag it off but it is an entertainment show. Real music will always go on ...as will pop and pap.

It is the job of the youth/counter-culture to keep driving the 'new scene' which they will always do, the 'industry' then commercialises and mass-markets it.

[MarkSDMF]

If I'm truly honest with myself, im at the point where I just want to turn my back on it, slam on some hendrix and have a beer, ye know ?

Its just going to keep repeating itself over and over but if it wasnt for the likes of cowell, would it all be so fake? This could easilly go deeper and say that its not just the artists, is society on a whole now, eating the shit they are fed I look at kids these days (irony is im still a kid in alot of eyes) 13, 14, 15, 16, especially girls (just an observation here) but the things they look up to these days !:O Katie Price, aka Jordan, a role MODEL ! Aye sure, no bother girls, get your tits out and make a living by getting wed to crap pop stars, get divorced, get wed to foorball players, have a kid, get divorced, marry to another pop star, have two more brats, divorced again, then get married to someone who makes money from fighting.
Go on kids, thats the modern, cool way of doing things !

Going totally off topic now, apologies lol.

[monkey66]

Can't argue with any of that. This is a big problem in our society the desire/ambition/aspiration to be 'famous' as opposed to being famous for being talented.

But until we dismantle the entire modern media machine it will carry on, x-factor or not.

Come the revolution

If I'm truly honest with myself, im at the point where I just want to turn my back on it, slam on some hendrix and have a beer, ye know ?

Its just going to keep repeating itself over and over but if it wasnt for the likes of cowell, would it all be so fake? This could easilly go deeper and say that its not just the artists, is society on a whole now, eating the shit they are fed I look at kids these days (irony is im still a kid in alot of eyes) 13, 14, 15, 16, especially girls (just an observation here) but the things they look up to these days !:O Katie Price, aka Jordan, a role MODEL ! Aye sure, no bother girls, get your tits out and make a living by getting wed to crap pop stars, get divorced, get wed to foorball players, have a kid, get divorced, marry to another pop star, have two more brats, divorced again, then get married to someone who makes money from fighting.
Go on kids, thats the modern, cool way of doing things !

Going totally off topic now, apologies lol.