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I'm one of those who think that Starbucks is a blight on any landscape and lament the proliferation of their franchises everywhere in the world. But it must be pointed out (I must, I must) that before Starbucks showed up over there in The Mother Country, you couldn't get a decent cup-o-joe to save your life so I'm getting a good chuckle over all these comments about this or that superior brew.
I'm one of those who think that Starbucks is a blight on any landscape and lament the proliferation of their franchises everywhere in the world. But it must be pointed out (I must, I must) that before Starbucks showed up over there in The Mother Country, you couldn't get a decent cup-o-joe to save your life so I'm getting a good chuckle over all these comments about this or that superior brew.
Good point, though only if you weren't in a major city. There were good coffee joints in Chicago and San Francisco before the Starbucks boom (and I assume other major cities as well, though I couldn't say). And it should be pointed out that Starbucks used to be not bad coffee in the early days.
Agree with the anti-*bucks crowd. The only coffee I actually do enjoy drinking is my own. I just brew coffee a certain way that I have come to enjoy. As for smoking outside one of their Philistine-type-stores? I can think of many relaxing and beautiful places to enjoy a good smoke.
Good point, though only if you weren't in a major city. There were good coffee joints in Chicago and San Francisco before the Starbucks boom (and I assume other major cities as well, though I couldn't say). And it should be pointed out that Starbucks used to be not bad coffee in the early days.
Good point but please notice (puleaze) that I was writing about ENGLAND, not the U.S. of A. (where I believe the "Chicago" and "San Francisco" cities you mention are located) and have never had a problem finding good coffee in the land of the original "lite" beer even in (often especially in) smaller towns.
Of course you could always get good tea in the UK but their idea of coffee was, well, sort of tea-like. I asked for coffee with my breakfast in London one time and was a bit put off by the light tan watery brew that showed up, as was a foreign visitor at the next table. When we queried the waitress, her comment was "oh, you want STRONG coffee then". What she returned with appeared to be the same "tan liquid" that seemed to have been poured back on the grounds until it got cold but no stronger.
It's a real treat to be able to get a decent coffee almost everywhere now and especially gratifying to see the many bars and restaurants that now have espresso machines.
Good point but please notice (puleaze) that I was writing about ENGLAND, not the U.S. of A. (where I believe the "Chicago" and "San Francisco" cities you mention are located) and have never had a problem finding good coffee in the land of the original "lite" beer even in (often especially in) smaller towns.
Of course you could always get good tea in the UK but their idea of coffee was, well, sort of tea-like. I asked for coffee with my breakfast in London one time and was a bit put off by the light tan watery brew that showed up, as was a foreign visitor at the next table. When we queried the waitress, her comment was "oh, you want STRONG coffee then". What she returned with appeared to be the same "tan liquid" that seemed to have been poured back on the grounds until it got cold but no stronger.
It's a real treat to be able to get a decent coffee almost everywhere now and especially gratifying to see the many bars and restaurants that now have espresso machines.
And the tea is still good.
I totally misunderstood, and I completely agree. I recall being in London in 1994 and was just, well, let's just say I put up with the coffee back then and wasn't really happy until I made it across the channel. I watched an interesting documentary, Black Gold, on the history of coffee. I'm a bit vague on the details, but at one point coffee was all the rage in the UK , though it started to be seen as causing certain sexual dysfunctions (if I remember correctly) and was replaced by tea as the proper drink. The interests of the East India Co. were also at play.
And I beg you not to mention our light beers. Those malt liquors aren't even beer, and we were a off that map until the micro-breweries started doing their thing. I remember, on that same trip, I was in Vienna and I had met up with a fellow American. We went for some food and drink, and he suggested I get a Budweiser. I thought he was mad--why would I drink that dreck while I'm in a land of great beer? Turns out it was the original recipe before it hit the states, and was not bad at all.
Funny how time and space alters what we take for normal.
Worst coffee I ever got was at 2am in a diner in Georgia. It was so weak that there wasn't even a discernible coffee taste! When the waitress, who couldn't understand my accent, asked if I wanted more, I had to decline and asked for a glass of Atlanta's finest. I needed caffeine at that time of the mornng.
Recently, I was in a Denny's in San Diego and the coffee tasted burnt! My experience of coffee in the US is not good and i hate going to the franchises.....
Mind you, until about ten years ago, if you asked for a coffee in Scotland and they didn't have a machine (usually only found in an Italian place), you invarably got a spoonful of Nescafe, so I can't complain just about the US!
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