BREXIT is a reality in 9 days

[Kickback]

The point is we make our own rules and defined process for managing the UK population and skills.
However BREXIT is not just about that despite some of the shouty people and press on all sides.

[geoffbot]

The point is we make our own rules and defined process for managing the UK population and skills.
However BREXIT is not just about that despite some of the shouty people and press on all sides.

I don't know of any rules were currently unable make that is causing us problem, but yes of course this will make us more autonomous.

[potpest]

The point is we make our own rules and defined process for managing the UK population and skills.
However BREXIT is not just about that despite some of the shouty people and press on all sides.

Some might say we already did. In fact we had full control of 75% of net migration and made all our own rules for managing it. We had other controls available for the other 25% which we chose not to implement.

[kern47]

I don't quite understand the trade with the world argument. The EU has dozens of trade deals with the world, each of them more favorable than anything the UK will be able to negotiate alone. I never heard any complaints by British business that they aren't able to trade with a certain country because of EU membership. Am I missing something?

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I don't think anyone who voted to leave had any real issues with the trade aspect, although some of the farmers who voted leave presumably had their own view on that. But for the general public, I dont think there could be any complaints about the single market. That was what the country initially voted to enter into way back when. I think the biggest downsides leavers had were the other pies the EU seemingly had their fingers in. And admittedly now, thinking back, a lot of the new rules/laws I can remember being introduced carry the tagline of the EU. And it's hard to argue that any rules that they have imposed, right or wrong, suggest the UK having control of our own laws.

On immigration, I dont think many people (bar the relatively small population of racists/xenophobes) have any issues with people coming in to work here. Although I do think there are surely plenty of British people who could be put to work picking veg in the fields before anyone else. But, particularly for the higher skilled jobs, the notion of 'fair treatment' for workers from all over the world, EU or otherwise, based on skills required at the time, makes more sense to me than the free movement model (on paper at least). Although my GP certainly isnt from within the EU, so how much difference it will make, I'm not sure.

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[simwells]

For me the difficulty I had with the sovereignty argument is I look at what the EU and our government have done throughout our lifetime and the EU have been consistently a much better force for positivity in the UK than the utter embarrassments that have run our country regardless of party since I've been aware of politics. I get why you'd want us to have control but for my entire life I've watched those with the power to take control seemingly do everything in their power to ruin it.

But that may be me feeling way too disillusioned and fed up of it all now!

[kern47]

For me the difficulty I had with the sovereignty argument is I look at what the EU and our government have done throughout our lifetime and the EU have been consistently a much better force for positivity in the UK than the utter embarrassments that have run our country regardless of party since I've been aware of politics. I get why you'd want us to have control but for my entire life I've watched those with the power to take control seemingly do everything in their power to ruin it.

A fair point lol. Although I can't remember any recent law, EU or otherwise, that has resulted in a positive thought from me. They all just seem to end up with more cost or more restriction (such is the nature of legislation I suppose). Although given weve been with the EU for 47 years, I suppose it's difficult to say whether all the rules they've introduced (and there is A LOT of good stuff) wouldn't have been brought in, good or bad, by our 'sovereign' government anyway. Although I can see people's frustration with the fact the choice was taken away.

And most of the restrictions probably havent impacted me directly (thankfully my 1600W vacuum cleaner is still going [emoji23]). I can remember some people talking as if we would be plunged back into the Victorian era if we left the EU, the work houses would open back up and all of our employment/consumer rights removed by the evil hands of any successive UK government... While the EU have brought in a lot of legislation to benefit us as workers, I find it hard to believe that the UK wouldn't have a very similar system regardless. Same goes for the climate change related rules and regs.

My general view is that economically... who knows. Socially... no real change. Control-wise... probably end up loosely following the EU anyway, although you'd hope that being able to tailor any legislation to what suits us best would come with its benefits.

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[Niela]

I don't think anyone who voted to leave had any real issues with the trade aspect, although some of the farmers who voted leave presumably had their own view on that. But for the general public, I dont think there could be any complaints about the single market. That was what the country initially voted to enter into way back when. I think the biggest downsides leavers had were the other pies the EU seemingly had their fingers in. And admittedly now, thinking back, a lot of the new rules/laws I can remember being introduced carry the tagline of the EU. And it's hard to argue that any rules that they have imposed, right or wrong, suggest the UK having control of our own laws.

On immigration, I dont think many people (bar the relatively small population of racists/xenophobes) have any issues with people coming in to work here. Although I do think there are surely plenty of British people who could be put to work picking veg in the fields before anyone else. But, particularly for the higher skilled jobs, the notion of 'fair treatment' for workers from all over the world, EU or otherwise, based on skills required at the time, makes more sense to me than the free movement model (on paper at least). Although my GP certainly isnt from within the EU, so how much difference it will make, I'm not sure.

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Trade is surely one of the big things that always come up when the damage brexit will do is pointed out.

On the issue of law, I think successive UK governments are to blame, both Torry and Labour. They used the EU as a scapegoat. In reality, EU law is not forced onto member States by the EU, but agreed on by all members. (see image)

By blaming the EU, the government simply avoids responsibility for its own actions. It's a bit like when you strike a trade deal with the US that results in the NHS paying vast amounts of money to US drug companies and then blame the US for it.

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