BREXIT is a reality in 9 days

[potpest]

Day 3 post apocalypse, the sun is still shining and the earth hasn?t opened up to expose the fires of hell to swallow us up.......

Life caries on as normal


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The world may not have ended but has anything positive happenned yet?

I'm sure for some, especially EU nationals and expats abroad waiting to see what their future entails, life doesn't just carry on as normal.

[Hookmaker]

Hell Im really looking forward to see a lot of brexiteer lower/middle class people in the fields cutting cabbage and in hotel cleaning functions following the ?export? of all polish/zceck workers[emoji41]


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[ha_banos]

I'm wondering who's going to be working for Mitch in the shops!?

And who's going to be serving my coffee!?

Hospitals are ok as they are mostly African origin around here.

Security is Ghurkas.

Office cleaning is South America.

Construction is screwed.

At least we'll get rid of the gangsters and crooks right?!

[7kingsguy]

Our company exports from poland. Fingers crossed for a free trade deal. If we end up on wto terms we fold the company overnight along with 25 British jobs. Everyone just crossing fingers til December with all investment on hold.

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[grumpybaldy]

Have to say I for one am quite excited by it.

[Horsebox]

Have to say I for one am quite excited by it.

What aspects of it are you excited by? Genuine question, as I'd like to try and find some positives now that it's a done deal.

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[grumpybaldy]

We all know we won't see the real positives for a while (or, depending on where you stand, whether one accepts there will be any positives).

However, I genuinely believe that there is at least a great opportunity for those who are minded to to take advantage of this business-wise and personally, to the benefit too, ultimately, of the wider country. I was disappointed that apparently (although the reality with many was very different) that so many young people were resistant to leaving, when this is about the chance to collaborate and trade with growing new powers (India, China, Brazil etc) and not just a trading bock which is really running out of road, especially now the money we contribute to it will stop. I really expect us to be saying before long, 'that be that we're no longer tied to them'.

For me, the main question was about sovereignty and the accountability of those who we vote into (and vote out of ) power. There were benefits of EU membership, but for many people (especially those in business) these came at a great cost in terms of control and interference.

I respect those who voted remain. I really thought leaving wouldn't happen, both at the time of the referendum and very recently too, so I did have time to think about how I would feel and behave, and whether I would accept the result (which I would have done). I - and I really believe most leavers - would not have behaved like many remainers have and are. Just as it's time for, for example, people to remove 'Brexit' and 'FBPE' slogans from their Twitter accounts, so I believe it has to be time to accept this now and to move on; that way we will all get the best out of this by working together and many people will be spared from the personal consequences of carrying about so much bile which is obviously not healthy. I don't fear for our country (I believe we're heading to a better place); but I do fear for individuals who can't move on now.

I wouldn't normally express 'political' views on this forum; we've come here to chat about more important things (!), but you did ask and, whilst I don't think anyone from either side needs to justify how they voted, it still feels like there are attempts to perpetuate the fiction that 'we didn't know what we wee voting for' (I'm not suggesting you were doing this, Marc). Most of us did know, and most of the reasons were, to our minds, good ones and we do expect real positives to come from this.

Hope I'm not blackballed now!

[jerryr]

Why do people assume anyone who voted leave is xenophobic?


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[Vitola]

I rarely get into politics, but if I get blackballed so be it....

We shouldn?t build expectations that leaving the EU will be terrible. There hadn?t been an economic crash after the Leave vote in 2016, and there hasn?t been a catastrophe since we actually left the EU at the end of last month. Predicting doom that doesn?t happen doesn?t convince anyone. The damage done by Brexit is real, but has and will come slowly ? and predicting it now does nothing to convince anyone.

What I do believe is that in Britain everything will be for sale. The main point for the UK Government is the dismantling of what remains from the post-war settlement. The lever they have to do this will come using ?trade deals? and we are at the wrong epoch in time to be doing such a thing. The US is hostile to free trade, the EU is wary of the UK undercutting its consumer, environmental standards and workers rights.

We can expect to see the UK government make the case as has already been started, that we need to reduce standards to get deals done. Just like a decade of austerity this will be presented as unpleasant, but necessary change to cope with the reality of the world.
I agree you can criticise the EU for its lack of democracy, but at the same time the UK government has already moved to stop scrutiny of any trade deals - in that there will be no democratic oversight of trade deals once agreed.

I do also believe that Brexit will end up being a huge let down for most people - in that immigration won?t be substantially reduced; people won?t have more control in their lives; austerity will get worse not better. The only people who are taking back any control are the elitists that so many people already distrust.
I think Brexit is part of the culture war - a way to roll back cultural advances. And I think it has given permission to make some hate again - this should be vehemently opposed.

There will be enormous pressure to remove politics from the debate around trade deals and the destruction of the country. We will be told to ?come together and move on?. This is but an attempt to stop opposition and must be resisted. British nationalism is excellent at the pretence that it simultaneously doesn?t exist and that everyone agrees with the elite positions it holds. We need to be gracious, but avoid being drawn into the notion that we have to destroy our quality of life for similar reasons to those people that believed austerity would work.

My position was that of voting for 'leave', but I've since researched further and come to the conclusion that I am not convinced of what we were leaving for?

[Niela]

I don't quite understand the trade with the world argument. The EU has dozens of trade deals with the world, each of them more favorable than anything the UK will be able to negotiate alone. I never heard any complaints by British business that they aren't able to trade with a certain country because of EU membership. Am I missing something?

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[PeeJay]

Regardless of your opinion and how you voted in the biggest turnout in British electoral history its time to leave that all behind and look forwards.

[simwells]

BREXIT is a reality in 9 days

I don't quite understand the trade with the world argument. The EU has dozens of trade deals with the world, each of them more favorable than anything the UK will be able to negotiate alone. I never heard any complaints by British business that they aren't able to trade with a certain country because of EU membership. Am I missing something?

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I?ve yet to see specific examples of the specific trade deals that people expect to be improved other than a lot of talk about the American one which always comes down to chlorinated chicken but realistically we should be asking why we?d possibly be shipping meat that far around the world in the first place! It?s the 21st century time to move on from practises like that where possible.

It all comes down to priorities and what?s a good trade deal though, we?ll certainly get different trade deals than the EU whether better or worse depends on what we value and what we choose to keep or give away with the deal. Are the protectionist measures of the EU worth more than cheap goods? I believe definitely as I don?t want to see uk business further sold abroad but it doesn?t sound like the stance the government is planning on taking. Plus I guess the argument is we?re protecting other countries industries at times at the detriment of our own, or that?s the thought process anyway.

But we?ll see what happens! To my industry I suspect most of the damage has already been done and most of this won?t change the day to day for a lot of people.



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[potpest]

Regardless of your opinion and how you voted in the biggest turnout in British electoral history its time to leave that all behind and look forwards.

I have to be a pedant here: More people voted in the 1992 general election and it had a higher turnout.

[Stevieboy]

I have to be a pedant here: More people voted in the 1992 general election and it had a higher turnout.

Good point often overlooked especially by The Mail et al because it wouldn't be a tasty sound-bite to say the 2016 vote was the "second biggest in UK history" lol

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-referendum-not-largest-democratic-exercise/

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[geoffbot]

The brexiteers lied to everyone (leavers included), suggesting impossible and paradoxical outcomes with no technical solution like Ireland having 2 customs unions with no hard border.

I think they should be held accountable. However, all politicians lie about what they are going to deliver so what's new.

Remainers lied to no one - merely citing that trade agreements are only a good thing and leaving the biggest single market on the planet is not likely going to be beneficial at all.

Jacob Rees Mogg says the benefit of leaving will not be felt for 50 years. Digby Jones reckons 100. Leavers seem happy with this temporary hit to their back pocket musing that it'll be alright in the end! We'll that's uncharacteristically altirustic of them as they won't likely be alive to reap the rewards. Were they voting for their children? Their children voted remain. Sounds like bollocks to me - seems they're still happy to march to the beat of a drum that stopped beating a while back. Humans just aren't that altirustic - especially those voting for better outcomes for themselves (which of course is fine).

Whether we'll be able to forge better agreements moving forwards is simply yet to be seen and I'm generally an optimistic person, but I don't think leaving was a good idea as there's no evidence to suggest so, and I only believe in evidence.