BREXIT is a reality in 9 days

[potpest]

I do find it amusing that people managed to not only vote (I couldn't possibly decide so didn't), but defend their positions with vigor and criticise others with vitriol! No one, not even the economists with years of geopolitical experience, has any idea what's going to happen so what makes you think you do?! We shall just have to see.

To say that noone has any idea what is going to happen is a bit disingenuous. The main majority of economists, the economic studies, and even the government's own analysis shows that this will be detrimental to the uk's economy no matter which path we take. Bloomberg's analysis has put the cost so far to the economy at 120 Billion in the last 3 years.

[Simon Bolivar]

I think the outcome will be similar to staying in. In the EU we had advantages & benefits & leaving we will have different advantages & & benefits. Of course you can look at it the others way & say there were disadvantages being in the EU & there will be disadvantages of leaving. And that for me is the crux of the matter. If the press & media, accept leaving is now inevitable & allow things to move fwd as positively as we can, with each hurdle we cross that in 5yrs we'll all feel better than we do now & in 10 yrs we may be be better off economically. Or not. But perception in this case will be everything. If the press continue to point out every negative, then whatever the outcome the disadvantages will still be portrayed as outweighing the benefits.

We can't change the press, bad news always sells more. But we can look at it as positively as we can & point out some of the positives to friends & family when they start bitching. There has been a small clique bitching about the EU for the last 20yrs, & the rest mostly just ignored them & got on with their lives. Unfortunately due to the referendum, the the negative faction will now be far larger but it won't help us collectively move fwd & make the best of the situation Cameron put us in.

I for one will take the positive role & even though this will affect me more directly than most (having a camp & family on both sides of the Channel), I believe in Voltare's "all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds." So let's be positive & have a cigar!

[hemal211]

I don't think anything will change even after 2020 in terms of "duty free" limit we can bring into UK. But the way we can have parcels sent in may change. At least we have the benefit of next 11 months

[Simon Bolivar]

I don't think anything will change even after 2020 in terms of "duty free" limit we can bring into UK. But the way we can have parcels sent in may change. At least we have the benefit of next 11 months

Just weep for me, when I retire back to the UK, I'll have to bring my collection with me. What do you think the duty will be on 2K+ sticks? I think I should stop buying & start smoking more to reduce the liability.

[Emaresee]

Just weep for me, when I retire back to the UK, I'll have to bring my collection with me. What do you think the duty will be on 2K+ sticks? I think I should stop buying & start smoking more to reduce the liability.

a careful series of drops.... perhaps

[Horsebox]

I don't think anything will change even after 2020 in terms of "duty free" limit we can bring into UK. But the way we can have parcels sent in may change. At least we have the benefit of next 11 months

What makes you think this, because it sounds like a misunderstanding of current Duty Free limits.

Duty Free limits apply only to goods from non-EU countries.

Currently you can travel to any country in the EU and bring back as much as you want of any type of (legal) goods, alcohol and tobacco included.
For the latter two, these must be for personal consumption but essentially there are currently NO duty free limits when travelling within the EU.

Almost certainly the current (non-eu) duty free limits will be applied to goods from EU countries, come December 2020. Per person:
50 cigars, 200 cigarettes, 1 litre of spirits etc

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[PeeJay]

Just weep for me, when I retire back to the UK, I'll have to bring my collection with me. What do you think the duty will be on 2K+ sticks? I think I should stop buying & start smoking more to reduce the liability.

It will be zero because being a wily old sailor you'll put them in a packing crate and just ship them with the rest of the furniture.

[Simon Bolivar]

What makes you think this, because it sounds like a misunderstanding of current Duty Free limits.

Duty Free limits apply only to goods from non-EU countries.

Currently you can travel to any country in the EU and bring back as much as you want of any type of (legal) goods, alcohol and tobacco included.
For the latter two, these must be for personal consumption but essentially there are currently NO duty free limits when travelling within the EU.

Almost certainly the current (non-eu) duty free limits will be applied to goods from EU countries, come December 2020. Per person:
50 cigars, 200 cigarettes, 1 litre of spirits etc

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Exactly my concern, 50 cigars or 100 when travelling with the wife, will take a lot of trips to bring my collection over but then, as we expect to buy a house before moving, that will no doubt require a few visits & we can also drop some off when visiting our daughter. In fact I'll be giving her a scubador to keep in her spare room & I'll top up as I go along. At around 150 cigars smoked p.a x6yrs & I could have 1,200 left to shift; that's 12 trips with the wife. Should be possible over the couple of yrs before the final departure.

The wine stock might taken longer, think it's easier to drink that up before we leave. So please remember McDee, I am not buying any more cigars so don't kept tempting me!

[Hookmaker]

Exactly my concern, 50 cigars or 100 when travelling with the wife, will take a lot of trips to bring my collection over but then, as we expect to buy a house before moving, that will no doubt require a few visits & we can also drop some off when visiting our daughter. In fact I'll be giving her a scubador to keep in her spare room & I'll top up as I go along. At around 150 cigars smoked p.a x6yrs & I could have 1,200 left to shift; that's 12 trips with the wife. Should be possible over the couple of yrs before the final departure.

The wine stock might taken longer, think it's easier to drink that up before we leave. So please remember McDee, I am not buying any more cigars so don't kept tempting me!

Why relocate at all?[emoji41]


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[Simon Bolivar]

Why relocate at all?[emoji41]


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Good question Henrik, well I have spent most of my adult life aboard, firstly in the Navy & secondly after marrying Belgium. I'd like to retire to my own country, were my family are & the fishing is 100 times better than Belgie. I know England won't be the same in 6yrs time but as long as our daughter resides in our fair isle then I will be able to persuade the wife to come over, especially if she has finally started a breeding programme by then (our daughter, not my wife)!

[Haaltert]

Good question Henrik, well I have spent most of my adult life aboard, firstly in the Navy & secondly after marrying Belgium. I'd like to retire to my own country, were my family are & the fishing is 100 times better than Belgie. I know England won't be the same in 6yrs time but as long as our daughter resides in our fair isle then I will be able to persuade the wife to come over, especially if she has finally started a breeding programme by then (our daughter, not my wife)!

Give me your wife?s phone number. No way you are leaving my beautiful country.


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[Simon Bolivar]

Give me your wife?s phone number. No way you are leaving my beautiful country.


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Come Sept I will have spent over 30yrs in Belgie & more than half my life, add another 6yrs until retirement & I think I should be released for good behaviour! Just under licence obviously. You barely get 20yrs for murder these days. I guess herfing with you & Bart will certainly make the next few yrs more interesting.

[mcdee]

[MENTION=941]Simon Bolivar[/MENTION] - do you not still have some chums in the navy that could ship your cigars back to UK in a submarine for you?

[Niela]

I think I have quite a comprehensive understanding of what Brexit is. In a way I am fortunate as I have duel citizenship English/German, but I always use my British passport - the country I was born it and educated me. If I speak to Germans I know, a lot of them want out as do the Dutch. EEC was a brilliant idea, but I feel they have overstepped the boundary and are looking to found the European Federation which would be a lovely utopian idea. But is doomed to failure, as is any forced federation of people?s who have different national goals and aspirations. You don?t need to look to far afield. Yugoslavia and the USSR are prime examples, the fact they communist leadership is one reason they failed but the bigger reason is they tried to lump different peoples under one rule is in my opinion the major reason the whole experiment failed. Unfortunately if the EU continue down the same route the same will happen in Europe, and I hope it?s a peaceful brake up.


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A lot of people doesn't make a majority. Brexit has actually strengthened support for the EU in all other countries. And a federal Europe was actually Churchills idea, but won't happen anytime soon. I don't see a difference between people based on what side of a line they were born to. My last company employed over 60 nationalities, I couldn't tell a difference. I live in London with people speaking over 180 different languages and all is fine and great (except the commute).

If anything brexit has shown me that nationalism'time has come. If not in my lifetime, then in a future generation. The world is global and nations are sooo last century... [emoji5]

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[Niela]

Just finished reading this thread and I am impressed. This is the most civil brexit discussion I have ever seen.

I agree with Simon, it is best to focus on the positives in life, otherwise it will just drive you crazy.

The discussion is often on the economy though and misses the human side of things. As an immigrant to this country, I felt at home here from day one. Brexit has changed that. I no longer feel at home, but a tolerated guest at best.

Every time I hear the phrase "the will of the people", I am reminded that a large part of the country doesn't see the millions of people that are part of society as equals. Not equal enough to have a say in their own future, but just equal enough to pay taxes. [emoji5]

I have spoken to many immigrants about it and I have yet to find one that doesn't feel similar about it. Brexit alienated millions in society and that will have consequences.

This is one of the main drivers for me to relocate to the continent this year.

So I guess one of the changes will be a less divers country than it used to be. Less open to the world and more inward looking. And with more conflict and radicalisation on all sides.

Having said all that, I don't hold a grudge against any of you (I know most here voted for brexit). Whether you voted for it because of immigration (as most did), or you thought that the UK wasn't sovereign, I understand that your vote wasn't aimed at me personally and I understand that you voted as best as you could tell what is right.

Now I think that you were completely wrong in voting for it, but I also know that there was no malice. [emoji5]

Let's hope for the best, though I will probably have to watch it from the side lines. I don't wish for the UK to suffer. I have friends here and a god son and I will be devastated for them, should the country hit hard times.

So fingers crossed.

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