I knew it was too good to be true

[PeeJay]

I always knew the professed lower risks associated with vaping were too good to be true.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7380947/E-cigarette-firms-probed-health-concerns-U-S-House-panel.html

If you're going to smoke, might as well do it properly.

[Kickback]

I'm surprised anyone thought other than its going to damage your lungs. Popcorn lung was raised as an issue right at the beginning of this vaping craze.

[potpest]

I used to vape for a couple of years after giving up smoking just to reduce any cravings and then I gradually stopped vaping. Wouldn't touch either these days, vaping always left me with a cough/ tight chest which never felt too healthy.

[Emaresee]

the vape fluid has all sorts of hazard stickers on including harmful to aquatic life... given its vapour... and therefore liquid... inhaling it has always seemed like a deeply flawed idea.

'better' than smoking it may be but risk free it was never going to be... hopefully it offers some an easier route off an addiction to cigarettes... without being gatewayed to a different and similarly risky source of nicotine addiction

[Simon Bolivar]

I'm surprised anyone thought other than its going to damage your lungs. Popcorn lung was raised as an issue right at the beginning of this vaping craze.

Indeed they did, I read about it sometime ago. Of course they don't claim it'safe, just safer than smoking cigarettes, which it probably is.

[glezga]

Id wait another while before taking that article serously. it always has been a case of.... if, but and maybe - with ecigs.

The warning lables are due to the Nicotine content - if injested etc. i read a while back - dogs had eaten the bottles and died.

personally, my health and wellbeing hs improved dramatically, i was a 50 day smoker (rollies) 25g pouch. so it would need to be pretty serious or worse than smoking - but actual evidence to convince me.

could be the heat produced from the larger devices (direct to lung) and massive clouds of fog? - they dont say!

"young people" how young?

"mysterious cases of likely-vaping-related lung damage have been reported"



some quotes from the NHS:

In the UK, e-cigarettes are tightly regulated for safety and quality.
They're not completely risk free, but they carry a small fraction of the risk of cigarettes.
E-cigarettes do not produce tar or carbon monoxide, two of the most harmful elements in tobacco smoke.
The liquid and vapour contain some potentially harmful chemicals also found in cigarette smoke, but at much lower levels.


While nicotine is the addictive substance in cigarettes, it's relatively harmless.
Almost all of the harm from smoking comes from the thousands of other chemicals in tobacco smoke, many of which are toxic.
Nicotine replacement therapy has been widely used for many years to help people stop smoking and is a safe treatment.

[puff o'wind]

The day I rely on the daily mail is the day I want switching off...

[Vitola]

Here here mate - talk about MSM telling anything resembling the truth - There is bugger all truth in any of the absolute ?Horlicks? this ?rag? peddles - simply wealthy vested interests - wake up people


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[Hookmaker]

As a pharmacist by education, I never trust any "scientific" information unless it is just that: scientific. And so far, no real scientific large scale studies confirm either the good nor the bad side of vaping.
I was one of the first actually, started vaping in 2007 after 20 years of smoking first cigarettes (20 a day - wo filter) the pipe for 10 (inhaling grossly). At the point when I finally put aside my pipe, I had been coughing quite heavily for a couple of years in the morning, but other than that, I felt no physical effect.
But already after 2 months vaping, I could really fel the difference: the coughing was gone and my lung capacity had improved dramatically.
Back then in the early days I bought these little 10-30 ml bottles of flavoured juice, some of which where pink, others blue or black! F..., those juices aren't good, you can almost see all those not so nice goody goody chinese chemicals in there.
Thats why I started mixing my own from pharmaceutical grade ingredients - much more secure stuff, IF you use a lot - and I do!

The main ingredients (90% at least) is VG - Vegetable glycerine and PG (propylene glycol). They're essentially harmless chemicals, and when heated in the vaping device, they essentially disintegrate to water vapour.
Nicotine is a compound which essentially is harmless to man, except of course if you intake equal to or above the LD50 dose. When vaped, only a fraction of the nicotine enters the blood stream as opposed to cigarette/tobacco smoke. BUT you can't smoke or vape yourself to death, you can get too much, get sick etc. but it will all pass, and when gone there's no more harm done.

The culprit of vaping is clearly the chemicals/compounds that are added to create the multitude of tastes from "tobacco like" to Red bull. I wouldn't even dare to guess what they put in them today. AND most stuff comes from China! Bad deal! There OUGHT to be control with what's put in.

BUT having said that, compared to smoking cigarettes, I strongly believe that the side effects - especially long term - are significantly smaller/lower. Cigarettes are scientifically known to contain more than 270 added compounds of which more than 30% are carcinogenic.
Ill never say that vaping is healthy, but I clearly believe that it is a way healthier alternative for those who just can't stop.

[Krist]

Does anyone know what the hardest thing about vaping is?

[Hookmaker]

Does anyone know what the hardest thing about vaping is?

Yeah, for every vape I take I’d wished it’d been a la Escepcion Longo puff

[Vitola]

I knew it was too good to be true

Nice one Henrik - common sense and facts.

I don’t know about the Chinese flavourings, but I make up my own juices and have been doing so for the past 7 years. I have never purchased manufactured juices. When making my own I use exclusively flavourings which are manufactured by the food industry so I know the provenance of what I am vaping.

I’ve seen gross misinformation such as propyl glycol, is the same as that used in anti-freeze and people use this in their eliquids? Shocking! This fact is true, though what they fail to add is that the same pg product is also used in food manufacturing as a moisture retaining agent in bread, cakes etc....

There is so much misinformation peddled about vaping, that is almost exclusively articulated by vested interests as they are losing either profit or tax revenues this comes from big pharma, investment, lobbyists or government organisations to name a few


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[Krist]

Yeah, for every vape I take I?d wished it?d been a la Escepcion Longo puff

No, telling your parents you?re gay [emoji23]


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[glezga]

Does anyone know what the hardest thing about vaping is?

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Quick question for the DIY'ers

ive been making my own for years too. i use the food grade vg etc but dont know whats in the concentrate! i get mine from ivapour - any links or brand names that are helthier or at least have ingredients listed?

[Shaun]

I dont get vaping myself. As for people saying 'food grade' well yes, that is safe for eating. Inhaling it into your lungs is an entirely different proposition.