Brexit, What to do next?

[Niela]

I work as a Business Manager for a large bank, and most of my customers apart from the ones who rely on cheap labour etc are the ones only concerned, most think its a great opportunity like most people the will adapt and look for new ways to be successful. It will take time but seems most who voted out wanted quick results. We see increases to food etc while were i the EU how bad can it be outside.

Being from a military background I voted out in the hope we would have to focus on yhings at home and not poking our noses in other countries affairs, thus giving terrorists no reason to attack the country, probably a pipe dream for peace for my little ones

From the Financial Times article, I can't see how the benefit could outweigh the loss and the incredible tasks of recreating 160 treaties with over 120 countries. But then again, I'm no banker and my understanding of business has its limits.

I don't quite understand how the EU is connected to military interventions? I remember how Gerhard Schroeder basically won an election in Germany on the back of opposing the war in Iraq, while Blair happily sent troops. Military cooperation is mostly done via NATO, so not really related to the EU.

[Johnny Thunder]

The one place where I could come and not listen to all this shite.

[Hookmaker]

The one place where I could come and not listen to all this shite.

I can only agree, but then again, I’m Danish

[Niela]

The one place where I could come and not listen to all this shite.

I can understand you. More often than not, it would probably be healthier not to discuss Trump and Brexit and what not all the time. On the other hand, I have a German passport and spent the last two years not quite knowing how my future in this country will look like, so not really easy NOT to think about it.

On a positive note, I think it just shows that the divisions in our society are superficial. From the poll two years ago it looks like most on this form would have voted to leave and I myself would be more than happy with the exact opposite. But we find common ground in the enjoyment of cigars. And if you look closer and talk to people of different walks of life, with extremely opposite opinions on some things, I think you'll always find a lot more things you can agree on with someone else than things to disagree on.

Social Media algorithms highlight disagreements though and our times are such that everything is defined by what we disagree on.

I for myself was just interested to see if anybody is happy with the whole thing and what a way out of this deadlock could be. So far the discussion has been very friendly...

Now Keep Calm and Smoke a Cigar.

[Niela]

I think the mps should vote as their constituency voted as simple as that and therefore no need for second referendum, accept the deal and let's get on with it

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There is something to that. While I would prefer the UK to continue to benefit from EU membership, calling of Brexit would ignore 52% of the voters, just like a hard brexit would completely ignore 48% of the voters. Neither seems like a very good option to make sure people feel like they are being heard. And a democracy should always strive to represent the whole of society, not just the small majority.

The deal is pretty much what the EU set out as their red lines from the beginning. Anybody saying they could have negotiated it better is just selling pipe dreams.

Looking at the deal, it gives everybody something. Yeah, it's a huge pile of shit, of course. Any compromise would be. But it is a compromise and it would give the 100% something, rather than everything to one half and nothing to the other.

Then again, given that during the campaign (and long after), there was no clear plan how a leave vote would be implemented, you could say that leave voters, cast their vote without being able to know how it would be implemented. So a second referendum on Deal or Remain would allow those that changed their mind to be heard. Given the mess the last referendum has been, with all the BS thrown around, it might make things even worse though.

Maybe opting for the deal would be the best outcome. BUT, can it ever happen? Rees-Mogg and BJ would do anything to grab power, they will never support anything from May. Labour is on a mission to deal a defeat to the government, they can't risk a positive outcome, or else they are less likely to gain power the next time around. So it simply won't happen.

What's left then? A second referendum or a No-Deal exit.

[Marbleman85]

My initial reaction when Cameron opted to roll the dice again and give us a vote on the continued membership of the E.U was...Why are they asking us to do it? Now i am not saying that people are uneducated or foolish as some of the hard brixiteers have suggested when the point gets raised(Gove,Johnson,Rees-Mogg)simply that,we the public can't possibly know as much about what the politicians do about the E.U,after all this is the kind of thing that we elect THEM to do...or do they just want to be paid for nothing now as well

What we should have been given was a survey on what parts of the EU we liked and disliked and then that could have been a starting block for the government to work on with the EU...Now i am not saying that we would have got what we wanted but...in that scenario at least the EU have a break down of what people like and dislike,after all we are one of the biggest contributors to the EU and are also one of the more multi-cultural nations in the EU. Therefore they have a wide and varied opinion on the problems inside the EU and it is highly probable that other big contributors with vast multi-cultural societies(France,Germany) will come up with many of the same dislikes about being a part of the EU.Merkel and Macron wont even give their respective electorate any kind of say over the EU membership because they are frightened of what they might hear from their own people and,that would threaten the future of the EU and the Euro as we know it currently.It is a shame,with all of the terrorism in Europe at the minute,i think we may have been able to come up with an amicable agreement had the initial talk about the continued membership of the EU been handled differently by David Cameron in the first place.

I Voted in but i am sick of hearing about it to be honest

[Niela]

Well put!

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[anz3001]

For me, we must leave and we must not be (openly) worried about no deal - And I voted remain!

There was a democratic vote and the result was clear. The argument that we didn?t know what we were voting for, exactly, is total nonsense. Note to leavers that want to use that argument, in future, if you don?t know what you?re voting for, the only safe bet is the status quo.

I voted remain, but respect the result. I don?t think people should be allowed to change their mind. Out it is.

Prior to Mrs Mays appointment, the one thing everyone said about her was that she was an excellent negotiator. Therefore, I have to believe that her current deal is all the EU is willing to give. If there is a people?s vote, the options can only be a. May?s deal b. No deal.

We must sure up on the no deal option, then it becomes a battle of wills to see if the EU comes back with a better deal at the last minute or early in to no deal. It could be a tough road but we?ll come through.

Remain still would have been better, but let?s get it done!