Brexit, What to do next?

[Niela]

With a deal on the table and parliament not knowing what to do with all that control that has been taken back, what do you think the next possible step should be?

I know this is a controversial topic and most here have voted to leave. So now that we are presented with the result, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on not only what should happen next, but more on what COULD happen next. What outcomes are possible?

[Shaun]

What could happen.... Mays deal gets voted down. After that we are headed for no deal exit on 29th March unless something changes. Second referendum is most likely. General Election is a joke with Corbyn in charge of labour, it’s unthinkable to vote for him.

[thedame007]

Yup - the government/parliament is broken due to the lack of any consensus majority, so i would be extremely surprised if any deal passes through Parliament. MP's are tabling motions to prevent a default hard Brexit (leaving with No Deal), by basically taking that option off the table - if teh deal gets voted down, and parliament do not vote directly for No Deal, then it will result in an extended remain...

Honestly, like Shaun has said, a second people's vote is the only option when the system is broken - it should be a Remain or May's Deal or Hard Brexit options.

[ha_banos]

Who knows!?

This is global level organisations at play here. Who knows what games where in.

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[Niela]

I see two options at the moment.

1. The government calls for a second referendum as parliament can't find a majority for the deal, no deal or remain.
2. Therese May (being out of a job either way) wants to leave a legacy and gambles by forcing parliament to either vote for her deal or have the country leave without one. That gamble would then almost certainly be lost and the UK would crash out.

Labours push for a new election are so obviously self serving, it would back fire as well. And given the antiquated first past the post system, the country is left without any real options to vote for.

[thedame007]

I see two options at the moment.

2. Therese May (being out of a job either way) wants to leave a legacy and gambles by forcing parliament to either vote for her deal or have the country leave without one. That gamble would then almost certainly be lost and the UK would crash out.

Labours push for a new election are so obviously self serving, it would back fire as well. And given the antiquated first past the post system, the country is left without any real options to vote for.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/20/theresa-may-cabinet-collectively-focused-on-passing-brexit-deal

Cross party MPs are attempting to prevent this very thing - I would be very surprised if this motion, or something similar, does not pass.

[Moley]

I don't see a second vote happening. How do you tell people who voted leave, that people want another vote, it will totally divide the country even more

I voted leave and wanted a hard brexit. Im glad im not in maybots shoes lol

[Alexw33]

Where’s the “I didn’t vote due to having no confidence in the competence of this country’s leadership and its ability to successfully negotiate a preferential deal to leave the EU, but equally couldn’t happily vote to remain as I don’t think that is the best long term solution... and I’m not happy” option?

[Niela]

I don't see a second vote happening. How do you tell people who voted leave, that people want another vote, it will totally divide the country even more

I voted leave and wanted a hard brexit. Im glad im not in maybots shoes lol

I would argue that on the ballot you didn't have the choice of a hard or soft Brexit. Farage kept saying the UK could be like Norway and now says something different. So if you wanted a hard Brexit, and the government gives you a Noway style deal, you wouldn't feel short changed?

As I see it, a second referendum is the only way to get around the impasse in parliament. It also allows the lave voters to confirm that this is what they wanted. If the public mood changed and more people would like to remain now, would it be fair to the majority to push on with an agenda that most people do not want anymore? I understand that those who voted leave are afraid their side will be overturned by people that changed their mind, but to avoid a second referendum to make sure that those who changed their minds don't have a say, is hardly democratic either, is it?

As for your wish for a hard Brexit, what do you make of the task such an exit would bring? The Financial Times has looked at how such an exit would look like and I can't see how it's even remotely realistic. https://www.ft.com/content/f1435a8e-...4-9023f8c0fd2e

[oskihen]

I think the mps should vote as their constituency voted as simple as that and therefore no need for second referendum, accept the deal and let's get on with it

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[ha_banos]

Politics and business are such fickle environments. People saying one thing and doing another is common place. We live with it. Nay we expect it. They should be hung from trees the lot of them. Professional politicians indeed.

All this is about money, power, control. I'm very curious what a Corbin government could bring. But again it's all just talk.

Voting now would be a vote not for the issue but on the performances we've seen since the referendum. I think it's good that we're going through this theatre. It's creating what looks to be a unique piece of political history. I think this will be very important for the next generations to have to hold up.

Let's see what happens next. I just hope I can still afford my house. There's some work options. And can still buy some cigars along the way.

Peace be with us all.

B.



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[Moley]

I think the mps should vote as their constituency voted as simple as that and therefore no need for second referendum, accept the deal and let's get on with it

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I would argue that on the ballot you didn't have the choice of a hard or soft Brexit. Farage kept saying the UK could be like Norway and now says something different. So if you wanted a hard Brexit, and the government gives you a Noway style deal, you wouldn't feel short changed?

As I see it, a second referendum is the only way to get around the impasse in parliament. It also allows the lave voters to confirm that this is what they wanted. If the public mood changed and more people would like to remain now, would it be fair to the majority to push on with an agenda that most people do not want anymore? I understand that those who voted leave are afraid their side will be overturned by people that changed their mind, but to avoid a second referendum to make sure that those who changed their minds don't have a say, is hardly democratic either, is it?

As for your wish for a hard Brexit, what do you make of the task such an exit would bring? The Financial Times has looked at how such an exit would look like and I can't see how it's even remotely realistic. https://www.ft.com/content/f1435a8e-...4-9023f8c0fd2e

I work as a Business Manager for a large bank, and most of my customers apart from the ones who rely on cheap labour etc are the ones only concerned, most think its a great opportunity like most people the will adapt and look for new ways to be successful. It will take time but seems most who voted out wanted quick results. We see increases to food etc while were i the EU how bad can it be outside.

Being from a military background I voted out in the hope we would have to focus on yhings at home and not poking our noses in other countries affairs, thus giving terrorists no reason to attack the country, probably a pipe dream for peace for my little ones

[potpest]

I don't see a second vote happening. How do you tell people who voted leave, that people want another vote, it will totally divide the country even more

I voted leave and wanted a hard brexit. Im glad im not in maybots shoes lol

What exactly are the benefits of the hard brexit which you voted for? I really would like to understand why you would think this is the best option.

[Hookmaker]

Hard Brexit would be both bad and good for me (and of course I?m only thinking about myself and not future generations): Minus: my export bacon and butter stock will tumble, Plus: a lot fewer visits to the post office due to heavy taxes on cigars sent from Denmark to the UK and therefore no more splits and group buy shipments to UKCF members

[Moley]

I think the mps should vote as their constituency voted as simple as that and therefore no need for second referendum, accept the deal and let's get on with it

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What exactly are the benefits of the hard brexit which you voted for? I really would like to understand why you would think this is the best option.

Quote a few reasons, but they are my reasons. I can see why people voted remain and respect those.

As long as it doesn't affect our hobby and we can all remain brothers of the leaf thats more important to me.