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    Hi all

    I was driving along a fairly remote stretch of an A road in the dark last night and I saw a car nose-down down the incline at the edge of the road. Realistically, the traffic was too fast to stop immediately and a walk back down the dual carriageway seemed unwise, so I phoned the police non-emergency number from my car (hands free!) to report it in case they weren't aware of it, and was put through to the local Constabulary.

    I explained what I'd seen, and after much clattering of a keyboard the operator said that they were aware of it, so all good. However, he then asked me for my name and home address (he already had my phone number). I must admit I didn't think to ask if this was a requirement (I suspect it isn't) but, likewise, I didn't demur from giving these details. Afterwards , my son (who was in the car) said that I definitely should not have done this. My view has always been, if you haven't done anything wring, and don't intend to, such a thing is immaterial. However, he felt so strongly about this that I wondered if this view is a bit naiive these days. Also, I must admit I have a had a growing but non-specific sense of unease (as a lot of people have, I think) about the of encroachment on privacy and information coming too easily to the State etc.

    In short, what are people's views/experiences of this? Should I have done what I did? Realistically, my having done it now, what are the implications of this? Part of me says they will have had all this information/links by some means already if they want it; however, part of me says I've now handed over something (even such simple details) that they didn't have before; but is that, in itself, a problem?

    It just goes on - was it really a crashed car or a conspiracy? Was it really the police I spoke to? Was it my son? Are there reds under the bed? Did I really give them the honest information (I did!)? Who am I?

    Seriously, I would be very interested to hear your thoughts, both specifically and on the 'wider picture' of where we are on all this sort of thing in society now. It's not something I've spent a lot of time thinking about to date - and perhaps that in itself is wrong, as it is a big issue. [MENTION=13402615]PeeJay[/MENTION] - John, I'd be particularly interested in your view if you're not compromised in giving it.

    I'm just going into the garden to ponder things more - to paraphrase Holmes: this looks like a two cigar problem... On the other hand, I may just end-up watching the latest installment of 'Better call Saul'; how shallow am I?!

    Thanks all.

  • #2
    i had cause to report a couple of obstructions on carriageways in relatively recent times.... someones back bumper, and what looked like a chunk of caravan. In both instances I nearly didn't, but figured that as I'd nearly hit one of them, and it wouldn't have been a simple touch up the paint job if I had, I would have wanted someone to report them for me. It turns out no bugger had...

    Anyways... I am sure i gave some details as a matter of course and probably felt similar. I am sure that along the way there are people who regularly report things that aren't as they seem, or are regularly utter works of fiction. Hence the question as it will either shake off a daft tw*t trying to be funny about the alien who landed on the village green, or someone who is unwell and convinced that the street lights are talking to them...

    Reckon you did the good thing... and regrettably the numbers of folk prepared to do thesimple gioiod things appear to be diminishing... so carry on!
    "Dear heart, you're talking to a man- a real man- who drinks straight Tequilla, with lime and salt on the rim, and smokes cigars" (J Zavala)

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    • #3
      You did the right thing in my book, you have nothing to hide, a reasonable request in reporting something.

      If privacy and using personal data are at the forefront of your mind? I would be more concerned with ISP’s, social networks, mobile data, search engines, banks, government, location services, consumer electronics, IoT, etc...- it is amazing the amounts of personal data we inadvertently reveal about ourselves, without being fully aware of the consequences of those actions in our everyday lives.....

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      • #4
        I?m with Vitola on this one. You did the right thing for sure by reporting what you saw and I?d me more concerned with the private companies you have contractual obligations to over the police.

        The reality is, if they?ve got reason to find something out about you, they will. Almost everything is fair game, providing they have a reason. The naughtier you are, the more scary these powers become.

        That said, with the new GDPR regulations in force, no one is able to hold your data without reason and they have to delete it if there isn?t a good reason to do so. I can?t recall the exact timeframes etc for them to do this, but I do know no -compliance theoretically attracts a whopping fine.

        Likely people with a better understanding than I on the GDPR front on the forum that can expand on that a little more (if it?s not going off topic).

        In short, you did the right thing and I wouldn?t worry about the info the police have because you?ve got nothing to hide.

        The data social media sites have on you however....that?s a whole other scary world!


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        • #5
          I'm a bit unclear on your concerns - Are you and your son concerned by you giving your address or are you wondering if you should have driven on and not bothered reporting the crashed car at all?

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          • #6
            The IT security revolution has yet to happen. Data is everywhere. How many companies have you been contacted by about data breaches? And what happens to them? Nada. Equifax. JP Morgan. All the ones you don't hear about...

            Also
            Have I Been Pwned allows you to search across multiple data breaches to see if your email address or phone number has been compromised.


            IT security is probably going to be one of the huge growth areas.

            If the police want to link a phone number with an address and a person. No problem.

            As has been said, all this data mining and aggregation is very dangerous these days. There's nothing we can do. Don't put out there what you don't want out there.

            So you're no worse off IMO having given these details. Why do they ask for it? Convenience I guess. You probably don't have to give it.

            Relax.



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            • #7
              For certain reports you may be needed as a witness, so they would be stupid and flagrant not to take details.

              They have a system and protocol in place to be followed because it's best practice in the investigation of potential crime.

              Imagine if there was a dead body in the boot and they needed a statement but couldn't even demonstrate they had attempted to record who reported it.
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              • #8
                Did your son give a reason why he was so concerned?

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                • #9
                  @ValeTudoGuy was spot on, police operators have a duty to ask for your details, its called National Call Recording Standards, but equally you are under no obligation to give them in these cases. It can be useful to have your address linked to your mobile phone number with us even if your phone is registered as it can save vital minutes in the case of genuine emergency abandoned calls. And to quote an old cliche, if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear. Alexa, stop recording me!
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                  • #10
                    Thanks guys; all makes good sense. Nothing to worry about then...

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                    • #11
                      You did the right thing.
                      There are exemptions from some GDPR regulations for police forces.
                      They will only have recorded to prove genuine call.
                      Maybe you get one brownie point which could be offset against a future speeding fine

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                      • #12
                        You're now on their Christmas card list!

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