Trump is U.S. President Elect, good or Bad news for UK & Cuba

[ValeTudoGuy]

[MENTION=213]TJCoro[/MENTION]

"Under the Bush administration. Obama stopped the practice."

Please bear with me as it's not my area of expertise... But my understanding is slightly different.

I think it was already illegal and that the Obama administration simply added specific names of methods of torture. I recall an Al Jazeera report (I will try and find it later) that suggested all Obama [Administration] actually did was cover up what had happened, didnt bring charges to anyone... Plugged holes that could lead to future criticism of the practice from coming to the USA's door and started outsourcing by moving prisoners to detention overseen by other countries [called Extraordinary Rendition]

Obama also promised to close Guantanamo, but strangely thats still going.

Effectively what i'm saying is that it could be disingenuous to suggest previous leaders havent already overseen exactly what Trump is so criticised for.


"Not sure what you are saying here"

I'm saying that, all the allegations and chasing of Assange started when he tried to bring to light information about the US government. Only time will tell (perhaps we will never know the truth) who is in the right. But the US appears to have effectively tried at every corner to silence and detain Assange.


"For all the trumped-up faux crimes (but never proven) that the opposition leveled against her. Than by all means, lock her up."

Again, time will tell.... But im pretty sure that 30,000 e-mail's take a little longer to investigate. Then There's the thousands of deleted emails.


"Assault is not womanizing. Assault is a crime."

Correct, but using a position of power and influence to gain sexual favour is morraly wrong. There are circumstances where this perhaps could and should be illegal... May even constitute an assault in it's own right.

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Im am happy to leave the allegations of both Clinton and Trump where they are. I really dont know anywhere near enough about either case to have a defined oppinion. I would never assume a claimant is a liar, and neither would I automatically assume the accused is guilty... Especially when they are a devisive personality who is heading a campaing that 25% of a country are desperate to derail.

[PeeJay]

Where do you get your news? Breitbart?



I think you may have your facts wrong, amigo. It's the sourthern conservatives who threatened to secede from the US when a black man became president. Left-wing California is not seceding. Hell! They just approved recreational marijuana...effective today!

Ricky Bobby

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922586/Silicon-Valley-investors-want-California-secede-U-S-form-NATION-Trump-wins-White-House.html

[TJCoro]

The Source!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ite-House.html

Touch?' PeeJAY, but don't believe eveything you read in a conservative tabloid.

California, or Silicon Valley - where our fearless leader is currently staying - is NOT going to secede from the US. BUT, if you knew trump the way my many yankee amigos know trump, "believe me," you'd be talking about seceding, too!

Ricky Bobby

[TJCoro]

Let's Do This!

@TJCoro

"Under the Bush administration. Obama stopped the practice."

Please bear with me as it's not my area of expertise... But my understanding is slightly different.

I think it was already illegal and that the Obama administration simply added specific names of methods of torture. I recall an Al Jazeera report (I will try and find it later) that suggested all Obama [Administration] actually did was cover up what had happened, didnt bring charges to anyone... Plugged holes that could lead to future criticism of the practice from coming to the USA's door and started outsourcing by moving prisoners to detention overseen by other countries [called Extraordinary Rendition]

Well, anything is possible if done in secret. But it was the Bush administration that skirted the law by sending captured terorists to "black opp sites" in other countries for interrorigation, better known as "water boarding."

The Obama administration publicly stated that it was putting an end the this and other illegal tourture practices. I've seen no credible evidence that this is not true.

Obama also promised to close Guantanamo, but strangely thats still going.

That's true...Guantanamo remains open, contrary to his campaign promise. I think his intentions were good, but the headwinds from the conservative congress were too strong. So, unless Obama invokes his executive authority to bypass congress' restrictions, sadly, Guantanamo will remain open for business


Effectively what i'm saying is that it could be disingenuous to suggest previous leaders havent already overseen exactly what Trump is so criticised for.
That's very true and very likely to have occured, but it doesn't make it right or legal...and Obama was to first president to publicly put and end to it.

"Not sure what you are saying here"

I'm saying that, all the allegations and chasing of Assange started when he tried to bring to light information about the US government. Only time will tell (perhaps we will never know the truth) who is in the right. But the US appears to have effectively tried at every corner to silence and detain Assange.

From what I know, Assange is hiding out in London to avoid rape charges in Sweden. Don't know anything about US attempts to silence him. but what I do know is that with the assistance of Russia, he attempted to influence the outcome of the presidential election in my second home, the USA, by slowly releasing hacked emails of the Clinton campaign which had no other benefit than to embarrass Clinton and sway the election, which some say they did, including me.

Lord knows I'd hate for someone to see the crap in my emails! Imagine what we would find if Russia and Assange had done the same hacking of the trump campaign!

"For all the trumped-up faux crimes (but never proven) that the opposition leveled against her. Than by all means, lock her up."

Again, time will tell.... But im pretty sure that 30,000 e-mail's take a little longer to investigate. Then There's the thousands of deleted emails.

Whew! "I've got blisters on my fingers!" The emails were determined by the lawyers who reviewed them before releasing under a subpoena, to be personal and not job related, although 1/2 were recovered and a few were business related, but not classified. So this is one of the many, many bogus charges hyped against clinton to make it appear she was hiding something - she wasn't.

Fun Fact! During the bush administration, Chaney and bush used a personal server maintained by the RNC and "lost" over 22 million emails when they left the white house - many of which dealt with how we got in the Iraq war.

"Assault is not womanizing. Assault is a crime."

Correct, but using a position of power and influence to gain sexual favour is morraly wrong. There are circumstances where this perhaps could and should be illegal... May even constitute an assault in it's own right.

Absolutely. And as Henery Kissinger famously said, "Power is the greatest aphrodisiac." In Clinton's case, it was between two consenting adults, far different from assault, But I get your point.

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Im am happy to leave the allegations of both Clinton and Trump where they are. I really dont know anywhere near enough about either case to have a defined oppinion. I would never assume a claimant is a liar, and neither would I automatically assume the accused is guilty... Especially when they are a devisive personality who is heading a campaing that 25% of a country are desperate to derail.

Ummm, that's a little too "balanced," an approach, in my opinion. You may or may not know this, but there is a legal filing in the US courts charging trump with rape of a 13 year old girl in 1995. And if you read the case and look at the evidence in the form of whitnesses and the characters trump used to hang out with as a ultra-rich NY playboy, you would would likey see the plausability of the charge.

A judge certainly found the charge plausable and was going forth with the case until the accuser decided to drop the case recently due to the many death threats she was receiving because, oddly enough, someone hacked the email account of her lawyer and identifid the 13 year old.

Ricky Bobby

[Shaun]

Good article https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/ec...queezed-middle for those interested, remarkably it doesnt call anyone a white supremacist.

[Greg]

Good article https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/ec...queezed-middle for those interested, remarkably it doesnt call anyone a white supremacist.

this will affect the Canadian Gas pipes which finish here in UK, this means we may be fighting the price for gas with US.... not bad for the house economy here...

[TJCoro]

Affordable Gas!

this will affect the Canadian Gas pipes which finish here in UK, this means we may be fighting the price for gas with US.... not bad for the house economy here...

FYI - gas prices in the US have been very low for a long time (something overlooked during the election). A gallon of gas on average is $2.25. By my calculation, that's 0.47 pounds per liter. What do you guys actually pay per liter?

Ricky Bobby

[Shaun]

Gas as in.... petrol? I filled up today at ?1.17 per litre. Tax makes up the majority of that cost, around 70% is tax

[TJCoro]

I got a wee bit of petrol this morning.

Gas as in.... petrol? I filled up today at ?1.17 per litre. Tax makes up the majority of that cost, around 70% is tax

DOH! Yes...petrol. Sorry. The price per liter I quoted included taxes, as well. Once again, those damn yankess get everything. And now they will be getting Cuban Cigars...that is, at least until trump reverses all the gains made under obama with respect to Cuba/US relations

More for us outsiders!

Ricky Bobby

[peanutpete]

Well how many white illegal immigrants are crossing the border from mexico? No idea on the figures but I would guess not many???

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thank you for making my point so eloquently

[Shaun]

DOH! Yes...petrol. Sorry. The price per liter I quoted included taxes, as well. Once again, those damn yankess get everything. And now they will be getting Cuban Cigars...that is, at least until trump reverses all the gains made under obama with respect to Cuba/US relations

More for us outsiders!

Ricky Bobby

Yes, but the difference in prices is mainly tax, the US pays little, UK pays almost the most in the world.

[Shaun]

thank you for making my point so eloquently

Yes, I am against illegal immigrants. If in your eyes that makes me racist so be it.

[peanutpete]

Yes, I am against illegal immigrants. If in your eyes that makes me racist so be it.

absolutely it does not make you a racist, i only pointed out that when ever peopel talk about illegals it is always about mexicans muslims etc and your post illustrated my point

you never hear about the 200k plus i think the latest estimates of Canadians and europeans who over stayed in 2015 alone

we should also remember that we in the west have created so much trouble around the world that its obvious that we would create the refugee crisies which results in illegal immirgrants

[Greg]

FYI - gas prices in the US have been very low for a long time (something overlooked during the election). A gallon of gas on average is $2.25. By my calculation, that's 0.47 pounds per liter. What do you guys actually pay per liter?

Ricky Bobby

Gas as in.... petrol? I filled up today at ?1.17 per litre. Tax makes up the majority of that cost, around 70% is tax

Sorry GAS as propane, not as fuel, sorry gents.... I was meaning heating our houses... this may increase. I hope not though

[Moon Dancer]

Just wondering when it will be - The Trump Havana
Or The Donald Trump LE. 2017


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CUBA VENTURES ON WHY AN INCOMING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILL BE GOOD FOR U.S.-CUBA RAPPROCHEMENT

Vancouver, BC – Cuba Ventures Corp. (TSX-V: CUV) (OTCBB: MPSFF) (the "Company”) – Donald J. Trump, the newly elected Republican President of the United States of America confirmed victory over Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton. Veteran Cuba watchers say that he will in fact act as a pioneer toward widening trade relations between the two countries – the primary rationale being his business history (which will be run by his children during his years as the U.S. President).
Cuba Ventures' CEO, Steve Marshall stated: "Since I arrived and began doing business in Cuba in the mid-1990's, I've witnessed 3 previous US presidents in office, both Republican and Democratic, Trump will be the fourth. We believe that Trump will demand more in return from Cuba than the Obama administration, which will in turn create a much more profitable commercial relationship for both, the US and Cuba, the latter being in desperate need of partners and funding since the demise of Venezuela's economy. We believe companies currently doing business in Cuba should benefit significantly from a "pro-commerce” US government, and we have no reason to believe that won't be the case with the Trump administration.”
On Novemeber 7^th 2016, Mr.Trump posted to his verified personal Facebook account: "Today in Florida, I pledged to stand with the people of Cuba and Venezuela in their fight against oppression, and to help the people of Haiti to recover and rebuild, and to bring jobs and education to all the communities of Florida -- including Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Venezuelans and all Floridians.” Just 3 weeks prior Mr. Trump was in Florida and stated: "I would do whatever you have to do to get a strong agreement. And people want an agreement, I like the idea of an agreement, but it has to be a real agreement. So if you call that for negotiation purposes, whatever you have to do to make a great deal for the people of Cuba."
Donald Trump, who has launched various real estate developments in Latin America (including hotels in Panama and Brazil, as well as the Cap Cana luxury complex in the Dominican Republic), sees potential in developing similar ventures in a future Cuba. In fact, various press sources noted that Trump has long kept his eye on Cuba, and will likely build Trump hotels & resorts in that country (through his children) when it is legal to do so:
● Bloomberg Businessweek magazine (dated July 28, 2016), noted that executives from the Trump Organization visited Cuba as recently as 2015, in part to identify golf-related opportunities. Before then, Trump executives visited Cuba in 2012 & 2013. "Among the (Trump Organization)'s more important visitors to Cuba have been Larry Glick, Trump's executive vice president of strategic development, who oversees golf, and Edward Russo, Trump's environmental consultant for golf. On later trips, they were joined by Jason Greenblatt, the Trump Organization's chief legal officer, and Ron Lieberman, another Trump golf executive.” Bloomberg Businessweek also noted that Cuban-American lawyer Tony Zamora, a specialist in Cuban golf ventures and a publisher of the Miami-based publication CubaStandard, reportedly advised the Trump Organization on Cuba for nearly a decade. Zamora confirmed to that publication his discussions with the Trump Organization the possibility of teaming up with a foreign company to give Trump a minority position in a Cuban golf venture (a deal that failed to materialize).
● Newsweek ran an October 2016 front page feature on a Trump company spending at least $68,000 in 1998 to explore business opportunities in Cuba (at a time when allocating funds on business development in that country was barred under the U.S. embargo against Cuba). In 1998, Bill Clinton was still president, and speculation swirled about him lifting the Cuba trade embargo before leaving office.
Since Trump has generated political capital with elements of the Republican Party, a U.S. government led by that party has shown that relations with Cuba do move forward. According to USDA statistics, between 2001-2015, Cuba purchased $5.0 billion in agricultural products from U.S. – in cash (which is remarkable, since Cuba traditionally purchased food imports on credit from suppliers like Canada, Brazil, France and even Vietnam).
Ironically, Cuba made an increasing amount of U.S. food purchases during the Republican administration of GW Bush (2001-2008) – with the majority of suppliers being from traditionally conservative farm-belt states like Georgia, Louisiana, Nebraska and Texas, among others. In fact, Cuba's food purchasing agency, ALIMPORT, under the leadership of then-CEO Pedro Alvarez, cultivated relationships with both agribusiness firms from these and other states, as well as politicians like (former) Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman, who happily pitched their states' farm products to Cuba. Heineman, a Trump supporter who was chosen as his honorary campaign chairman in Nebraska earlier this year, visited the International Trade Fair of Havana (FIHAV) during the 2000s to personally help close deals to ship his state's wheat and other farm products to Cuba.
Cuban officials like Alvarez have shown that even during a Republican administration like GW Bush's, legalized trade relations between the two countries still flourished – proving that business often trumps politics. With Donald Trump's business interests lying in areas that are a natural fit for Cuba – luxury tourism and real estate development, a Republican administration under him may not harm U.S.-Cuban relations after all. It`s the Company`s opinion that as opposed to President Obama's policy toward Cuba – which was driven by an ideological affinity toward that government, a Trump presidency will likely advance relations with that country based mainly on mutually-beneficial business dealings.
Since Trump ran his presidential campaign on the promise of job creation for ordinary Americans, an expansion of U.S. trade relations with Cuba would help him fulfill that agenda – with American jobs being created in areas as diverse as the travel sector, real estate development, construction (including architectural and engineering expertise), and legal services. Even the Trump-friendly corporate lobbying group ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) has called for the normalization of U.S. trade relations with Cuba, which would be consistent with its free market agenda. According to a report issued by the Washington-based Peterson Institute for International Economics (PIIE), under normalized economic relations, U.S. exports of goods and services to Cuba could reach $6 billion per year, while Cuban exports to the United States could reach $7 billion – figures that are not likely to be ignored by Trump and his associates.
About Cuba Ventures Corp.:
Cuba Ventures Corp. is a publicly traded Canadian company capitalizing on the growth and unique opportunities in the USD $3.5 billion per year Cuban travel and tourism industry. Travelucion Media, a wholly owned subsidiary of Cuba Ventures, is a digital media and marketing company which owns a vast portfolio of Cuba related websites and online portals providing travel in formation, featuring individual web assets for Cuba's popular cities and towns, online booking solutions and online reservations through proprietary software, catering to international visitors to Cuba. Travelucion's online travel division is a duly licensed retail travel supplier handling millions of dollars in sales annually.
Travelucion's 432 Cuba focused multilingual websites generate over 30 million page-views per year, directing traffic to the company's online booking and e-commerce sites. Recently this traffic has become a cornerstone of the company's assets, positioning it to direct highly targeted web traffic towards specific partnerships including the MOU with SPORTTU and Collaboration Agreement with Mercosur. Cuba Ventures will continue to monetize and develop its Cuba centric web traffic going forward. Travelucion's websites cover all facets of Cuba including over 80 travel destinations, hotels & resorts, bed & breakfast, tours, car rentals, restaurants, as well as Cuban culture, history, music, celebrities, sports, medical treatments and more.
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