Europe - In or out?

[SHAMZ84]

That news story has been doing it rounds on all news sites since it hit one million sat morning... including all the leave news newspaper.

It's the news.. personal i think it's a joke...time to accept what decision has been made and move one.

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[sheppsea]

I am devastated by the result of the referendum, but a second referendum isn't appropriate, you can't keep voting until you get the 'right' result

I got an email from the Lib Dems last that they will fight to stay in the EU at the next election. I think that is a more reasonable approach for those that want to remain in and give any government that wants to remain a much stronger mandate

[Wigan]

EU referendum petition signed by more than 2.5m - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36629324

Go and tell me the BBC is offering impartial coverage running that story and including a link to the petition!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/132549

I'm not sure how relevant these petitions actually are.

[ValeTudoGuy]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/132549

I'm not sure how relevant these petitions actually are.

Well I for one think you're a solid 2.... Perhaps even a 3 if you keep up the good work!

[Niela]

Well, you got what you wanted. What that in particular is, remains a mystery though as everyone seems to have a different reason for why they casted their protest vote. Most promises made are already being detracted and not much will change I'd expect.

It does worry me though that this vote was largely won on an anti immigration ticket. I always felt that the UK is much better at integration than Germany or France. The deep lying resentments against people like me that came to the surface caused me to feel alienated and unwelcome. For the first time in 8 years I do not feel at home anymore here.

I hope the extremes calm down and crawl back under their rock, but people where promised less immigration. When that doesn't happen (brexit won't change anything we couldn't have done before), I am afraid of what the next measure will be and who will get to feel the anger and resentments.

[Budgie Smuggler]

Europe - In or out?

52% got what they wanted, everyone else has to accept that and move on.

It's interesting to me however that some of those that voted leave are now saying that the remain camp need to stop moaning and work out how we can now move forward together.

That sounds to me as though they had no actual plan to move forward and it was simply a case of wanting out at all costs and damned be the consequences.

The far right groups have been emboldened by the Leave vote and I predict that we'll see an increase in hate crimes against Non-White Brits.

I come from a family of Irish descent and was told by my Grandma how difficult it was to get work when they came over here as there were "No Irish" signs where jobs were advertised.

I am saddened by the outcome as not only do I not believe that we'll be better off, but I also think this is a massive step backwards in race relations.

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[ValeTudoGuy]

Just over half got what they wanted..... And that is different for every person, as were reasons to leave and that is the case for every vote of every person in every nation pretty much ever cast.

It's hard to pin down a solid zeitgeist right now in the UK, it's all too much in the air at the moment.

[ValeTudoGuy]

52% got what they wanted, everyone else has to accept that and move on.

It's interesting to me however that some of those that voted leave are now saying that the remain camp need to stop moaning and work out how we can now move forward together.

That sounds to me as though they had no actual plan to move forward and it was simply a case of wanting out at all costs and damned be the consequences.


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I suspect it has more to do with the fact we are entering a long process without a precedent and the one thing that can damage that process is a procrastination on the past and a loud discontent which will shake confidence in Britain for external investors.

[gangstarrrrr]

52% got what they wanted, everyone else has to accept that and move on.

It's interesting to me however that some of those that voted leave are now saying that the remain camp need to stop moaning and work out how we can now move forward together.

That sounds to me as though they had no actual plan to move forward and it was simply a case of wanting out at all costs and damned be the consequences.

The far right groups have been emboldened by the Leave vote and I predict that we'll see an increase in hate crimes against Non-White Brits.

I come from a family of Irish descent and was told by my Grandma how difficult it was to get work when they came over here as there were "No Irish" signs where jobs were advertised.

I am saddened by the outcome as not only do I not believe that we'll be better off, but I also think this is a massive step backwards in race relations.

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Precisely this. The leave camp have no solid plans on what they'll do now and how it will be done. Cameron told his aides he would quit quickly as he wasn't prepared to do the hard work for the leave camp and negotiate on their behalf - rightly so. Now Boris et al are shitting it and the EU will have fun giving us a raw deal. Many of the promises made are already being reversed. I think the best the UK will manage in negotiations with the EU are an entry to the EEA meaning we'd still have to contribute to the EU budget, adhere to EU standards and accept movement of labour.

[gangstarrrrr]

Sadly the referendum to me appears to have been used by many as a general protest vote as opposed to dissatisfaction with the EU. Quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that many people didn't know precisely what they were voting on and/or didn't understand the implications.

[PeeJay]

Well, you got what you wanted. What that in particular is, remains a mystery though as everyone seems to have a different reason for why they casted their protest vote. Most promises made are already being detracted and not much will change I'd expect.

It does worry me though that this vote was largely won on an anti immigration ticket. I always felt that the UK is much better at integration than Germany or France. The deep lying resentments against people like me that came to the surface caused me to feel alienated and unwelcome. For the first time in 8 years I do not feel at home anymore here.

I hope the extremes calm down and crawl back under their rock, but people where promised less immigration. When that doesn't happen (brexit won't change anything we couldn't have done before), I am afraid of what the next measure will be and who will get to feel the anger and resentments.

I don't think there is any resentment against people like you Nils unless you came here to milk our benefits system and be a drain on the NHS and education system. I think what little I know about you has proven the opposite so don't get swept up in the post Referendum hysteria. Its time now to settle down and plan for the future and this country certainly won't be expelling anyone except perhaps convicted criminals when they complete their sentence.

[Niela]

I have only had the best experience with British people since I moved here and that gives me hope. But we had 50 criminals that couldn't be deported because of the EU in the past years. Immigrants on average pay more into the system than British citizens on average. The government will not spend more on the NHS as they already said and Farage is now calling for a privatisation of the NHS as he always said he wanted. What I am worried about is what will happen if the people who have legitimate worries about their future, those who were left behind by our system, will wake up and realise that there won't be an easy solution for their problems.

I am not hoping for the UK to fail. I never wish bad on anyone and I really hope that every expert around the world was wrong. But when the next recession hits, I do worry that things might escalate. There is already a lot of open hostility against immigrants.

We have to find ways to make everybody prosper from this countries success, with nobody left behind. Otherwise I see this society divided even further and nobody will win in the end.

Thanks for your kind words Peejay. 😊

[ValeTudoGuy]

Precisely this. The leave camp have no solid plans on what they'll do now and how it will be done. Cameron told his aides he would quit quickly as he wasn't prepared to do the hard work for the leave camp and negotiate on their behalf - rightly so. Now Boris et al are shitting it and the EU will have fun giving us a raw deal. Many of the promises made are already being reversed. I think the best the UK will manage in negotiations with the EU are an entry to the EEA meaning we'd still have to contribute to the EU budget, adhere to EU standards and accept movement of labour.

Utter conjecture, it's in the interest of many nations to be open to us, Angela Merkel has already slapped down prominent EU officials and is talking about making us an "Associated Partner Country", we have historically been closer to Germany's ideas of economic reform in the EU than other big players such as France and she knows they stand to pick up the financial slack in a post Brexit EU. There is also the rising stock of the AfD party for them, to consider.

The Netherlands are pretty well intertwined with our economy and share some of the worlds largest multi national companies with us, they also have a looming election and a eurosceptic Rottweiler in Geert Wilders leading polls.

France are kicking off to make an example, they should probably be more concerned with Marine Le Pens rising popularity and a looming election.

Finland have recalled their parliament from a summer break to discuss the potential of a referrendum....

Turkey are talking of cancelling their entry submission and numerous high ranking officials have made suggestions of advanced behind the door talks with Greece, Romania and Bulgaria about a possible "Ottoman" bloc. We are historically and currently a huge trading partner of Turkey and were one of their main political allies in the EU.

Denmark and Sweden were already in fairly advanced states of national euro scepticism before Brexit, they will possibly be looking at this as a proof of concept as prominent MP's continue to push for a referendum.

Italy is similar to France in that they have a VERY loud Eurosceptic in Mateo Salvini who's stock is rising. The difference here is that Italy has more reason to resent the Euro currency.

The Czech Republic have leading polls that suggest the people want to leave, Slovakia and Hungary have both demonstrated discontent with the current EU system of migration and borders.

There is good reason for all of these countries to have a close and successful allie on the prerifery of the EU but not inside.

[ValeTudoGuy]

Then there's the facts that if the EU help to hinder our economy they directly harm their own. A harsh line on Brexit would also be a pretty solid movement towards a federal power centre and away from national sovereignty... And there aren't many countries in the EU that his would be an easy sell to.... It could actually be the one thing to bring the EU down quicker than anything else.

[Budgie Smuggler]

Milking benefits and a drain on the NHS? I'd be willing to bet the proportion of the population that fit the above description is likely to be higher amongst Brits than from those that migrated here.

The planning should have occurred prior to the vote taking place, now is the time to implement those plans, unfortunately it now seems fairly obvious that there never was one as those that led the Leave campaign are hardly falling over themselves to be PM now that they realise that Cameron has absolutely no intention of being the one to invoke article 50.


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