Smoking And THE NHS

[ValeTudoGuy]

Yes, there is always going to be anecdotal evidence to contradict something, but I thought it encouraging to hear about it. I can't answer/remember the body that did the report/study, but it sounded genuine.

Thw problem is Chris,e-cigs are getting like the behemoth that is/was the Tobacco induatry. Theres so much money involved that you can effectively buy whatever statistics you want.

And a contract with the NHS? Well thats a golden ticket if there ever was one literally a license to print money.

It would also provide a litigation shield that the tobacco companies never even had.... Picture 20-30 years down the line, e-cig smokers *potentially* feeling the effects of ravaged lungs..... Who do I litigate against? Oh yeah, the NHS they prescribed it to me.

[TonyN]

Believe it or not if it did go ahead some might milk the system by getting some then flogging them to make money
to buy proper cigarettes, this I heard on the radio just now.
Reason why I don't think the NHS should pay for them money should be spent properly where it's needed most
like a 2 year old girl that has stomach cancer, that's were the money should be spent in treating the poor little girl.

[cj121]

Thw problem is Chris,e-cigs are getting like the behemoth that is/was the Tobacco induatry. Theres so much money involved that you can effectively buy whatever statistics you want.

And a contract with the NHS? Well thats a golden ticket if there ever was one literally a license to print money.

It would also provide a litigation shield that the tobacco companies never even had.... Picture 20-30 years down the line, e-cig smokers *potentially* feeling the effects of ravaged lungs..... Who do I litigate against? Oh yeah, the NHS they prescribed it to me.

I totally agree with you (my earlier link leaned towards how bent these f'kers can be) and I imagine that there could not be any NHS implementation without longitudinal studies, including a backing by NICE before they 'could' sign up. Otherwise their butts(no pun intended) would be sticking out for a litigious kicking for sure, IF significant harm was found to be the result of long term inhalation of dodgy concoctions. I would add though that the chance of the NHS buying in shady PG from ex-antifreeze manufacturers is unlikely for same said reasons.

That point raised by you earlier may not be one of the actual impact of PG inhalation, but more about unscrupulous practice and unsafe quality perhaps?

Found this too

http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_959.pdf

[ValeTudoGuy]

image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpgJust a quick look at what claims to bee liquid from the worlds premier supplier. Undoubtedly from one of the UK's most popular suppliers.

Note there is no attempt at telling you what's actually in the bottle. There is however some useful signs to tell us it's highly toxic and can cause lasting deadly damage to aquatic life.

Its also such a volatile concoction it can physically damage your skin.

Beyond this, your burning a wick which may or may not be organic cotton...... God knows what the cheap ones are made of? Fibreglass?

Who knows what your putting into your body..... Literally WHO knows? Nobody that's who because the industry is COMPLETELY unregulated

I would almost hedge my bets to say cuban cigars are better for you.....

[cj121]

Liquid nicotine on skin is toxic for sure.

What brand is this?

[ValeTudoGuy]

Totally Wicked

[Wigan]

Clearly the people in the money seat have a vested interest in the massive proffit potential of e-cigs...... Funny how e-cigs have been available since around 2003-5 and they only flood the market once the beneficial anti smoking culture has been nurtured to an advantageous degree.

I bet a lot of investment at the top end has swung quickly from tobacco companies to the e-cig croud.

The kind of monies involved probably draws in people with a lot of economical and governmental clout too.

But hey, how long untill people realise that inhaling antifreeze isnt great for you in the long term.

Watched a documentary on cannabis (do you realise how hard it is to find a documentary online that ISNT about cannabis?)

Explained it was originally banned after expensive lobbying by the people invested in cotton as hemp was seen as competition

[PeeJay]

I think we're going to see a whole generation of kids grow up using vapes without ever smoking cigarettes. I've seen bubblegum flavour for fucks sake, if that's not targeted at kids what is?

[cj121]

There are thousands of fruity, sweet shit flavours and I don't think they're aimed at kids tbh.

How ow long ago (and for how long) was it that kids could buy 'sweet cigarettes' the little white candy things with a red end.

[cj121]

Found this too

http://m.ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/08/30/ntr.ntu176.abstract

[PeeJay]

Little white thing with a red end? More likely to lead them down another road Chris shocked.jpeg

[cj121]

I chose my words carefully

[EdBlackadder]

CJ hit it on the head earlier: there's no point in doing this unless its part of a reduction plan. The NHS isn't there to feed addiction.

[sheppsea]

I must admit I possibly na?vely assumed that would have been the plan...

[cj121]

CJ hit it on the head earlier: there's no point in doing this unless its part of a reduction plan. The NHS isn't there to feed addiction.

Psst (Ed, I think it was Simon)