Do any members here play the guitar?

[Simon G]

This thread needs videos.

To early for vids
Although might be tempted to upload a sound file soon. Maybe once I've mastered the whole of Wish you were here...

[oskihen]

Your doing well is you've mastered the intro solo to wish you were here already string bends and pulloffs included

[Budgie Smuggler]

My Son's guitar is due to arrive this week so I'll have to make time for us to practice together.


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[Simon G]

Well, just a hammer on for now. Trying to master timing with that too.

[Simon G]

That'll be good fun Budgie.
Motivation for both of you. Having each other learning at the same time.

[butternutsquashpie]

Let x be any chord.
Play three chords quickly: G, Bm, x

Take a picture of your hand position when you're playing the x chord. We can help you out to not establish any bad hand motions when you're fretting. This is the problem with web teaching - you may develop bad habits that aren't caught until it's too late.
Simple chords people mess up on are C7, D7, D, A, F7, G7.


... I miss teaching guitar........

[SilentBOb]

I played guitar for 15 years, and I have no idea what you lot are on about with pivot fingers, and all these chord names lol....some of the best, and most famous guitar players had bad habits. For me, it's all about feel.

Simon, don't get too bogged down with the technicals; if it feels good, and sounds good you doing great!

[butternutsquashpie]

some of the best, and most famous guitar players had bad habits. For me, it's all about feel.
Simon, don't get too bogged down with the technicals; if it feels good, and sounds good you doing great!

*Sigh*. I've said this so many times, I think it's gonna lose meaning:

We come on a cigar board to learn techniques, etc on how to smoke the cigars and make them taste/last the best. I have unorthodox techniques that I adopted AFTER learning the proper techniques. Only when you know the basics can you experiment into the outlandish.
The same applies to learning a musical instruments. Convention exists for a reason - it's widely acknowledged to be the easier method to play the guitar. But everyone IS different - you're right.

But please. I implore you. Learn the basics before you think they're useless. Learn the correct techniques and if one year later, they feel improper, then have it changed to the way you think it should be - but only WHEN you have enough knowledge to be independant. Not before - for the love of God - NOT BEFORE.

[SilentBOb]

*Sigh*. I've said this so many times, I think it's gonna lose meaning:

We come on a cigar board to learn techniques, etc on how to smoke the cigars and make them taste/last the best. I have unorthodox techniques that I adopted AFTER learning the proper techniques. Only when you know the basics can you experiment into the outlandish.
The same applies to learning a musical instruments. Convention exists for a reason - it's widely acknowledged to be the easier method to play the guitar. But everyone IS different - you're right.

But please. I implore you. Learn the basics before you think they're useless. Learn the correct techniques and if one year later, they feel improper, then have it changed to the way you think it should be - but only WHEN you have enough knowledge to be independant. Not before - for the love of God - NOT BEFORE.

Please don't be condescending dude, having played hundreds of gigs I am in no need to learn the basics........ Music IS about feel, if you want to be a tech player that's fine, you gave you're opinion I gave mine.... There are instances where other people may know more than you and have more experience and wish to offer a difference of opinion to yours.

[butternutsquashpie]

I played guitar for 15 years, and I have no idea what you lot are on about with pivot fingers, and all these chord names lol...

I mean this with the utmost respect and utmost sincerity without trying to sound rude:
Perhaps you're not the better one to give advice on guitar strategies and advancement. The fact that you're unsure of a few of the most basic chords reflects the education you have received on guitar. I have personally taught people who have had self-nstruction for decades but have abhorrent techniques.
The most common is the mis-alligned fingers. I have taught them to train their fingers parralel when holding most chords and it has helped them so much. I've seen the improvements they have made by simply fixing what they once thought was "the best method".

Along with this, theory helps alongside method. Learning the chords and learning from things besides tabs help your improvisation techniques. Then you get into scales and create your own scales using modes. This is made much harder without learning musical notation and theory of the scale. All of these things may not be suited to how one specific person learns. But if they are serious in taking up the guitar, it's good that they first learn it and shed it off as THEY deem necessary.
Much like learning anything else, you learn to foundings and groundwork to understand the current.

[SilentBOb]

I mean this with the utmost respect and utmost sincerity without trying to sound rude:
Perhaps you're not the better one to give advice on guitar strategies and advancement. The fact that you're unsure of a few of the most basic chords reflects the education you have received on guitar. I have personally taught people who have had self-nstruction for decades but have abhorrent techniques.
The most common is the mis-alligned fingers. I have taught them to train their fingers parralel when holding most chords and it has helped them so much. I've seen the improvements they have made by simply fixing what they once thought was "the best method".

Along with this, theory helps alongside method. Learning the chords and learning from things besides tabs help your improvisation techniques. Then you get into scales and create your own scales using modes. This is made much harder without learning musical notation and theory of the scale. All of these things may not be suited to how one specific person learns. But if they are serious in taking up the guitar, it's good that they first learn it and shed it off as THEY deem necessary.
Much like learning anything else, you learn to foundings and groundwork to understand the current.

Don't be a pr*ck, you have no idea about my guitar playing abilities......if I want to tell someone to have fun playing and to not get too bogged down in playing, then as far as I'm concerned I have every right to do so.

I don't think you realise that your opinion isn't the only one that counts.

I'm not going to continue on this thread, you've p*ssed me off too much.

Simon, good luck with your quest mate its a fun instrument to learn, as I've said previously, just have fun with it and find what works for you.

[butternutsquashpie]

Please don't be condescending dude, having played hundreds of gigs I am in no need to learn the basics........ Music IS about feel, if you want to be a tech player that's fine, you gave you're opinion I gave mine.... There are instances where other people may know more than you and have more experience and wish to offer a difference of opinion to yours.

My apologies with the condescention. I really don't want to appear that way... I'm hoping we can have a creative discussion on here without devulging into an argument, etc. You're right there's no need. But I implore new users to first learn the basics.

This is the same with the cigar forum. We tell everyone to find their own paths. But we lecture them on how to keep humidity, cut the cigar, light the cigar, etc for a reason. So that they learn the 'tech aspects' first before getting their own feel for the hobby.

[monkey66]

Please don't be condescending dude, having played hundreds of gigs I am in no need to learn the basics........ Music IS about feel, if you want to be a tech player that's fine, you gave you're opinion I gave mine.... There are instances where other people may know more than you and have more experience and wish to offer a difference of opinion to yours.

Got to agree here. Basics are important but not the only approach to art.

There are great players and ok players. Technical prowess does not define them.

There is no doubt a solid grounding in the basics will help most players progress but one of the beauty's of guitar is you can express yourself well in many ways.

I reckon if I did analysis of all the players i love at least half would have technically bad habits or gaps in knowledge. It's part of their sound just as my bad habits are part of mine. If everyone were perfect we'd all sound the same.

The most important thing I can share from my 30 years playing, is practice, practice and practice. Then gig, gig and gig. There is no substitute for hours under your belt.

...neither of which I have done in years hence my chops being fairly pants these days.

[butternutsquashpie]

Hey Paul - glad you're chipping in around here. Didn't mean to piss off SBob but perhaps I was a tad too blunt on my side...
Hoping he'd come back to the discussion with my apologies...

Got to agree here. Basics are important but not the only approach to art.
There are great players and ok players. Technical prowess does not define them.
There is no doubt a solid grounding in the basics will help most players progress but one of the beauty's of guitar is you can express yourself well in many ways.
I reckon if I did analysis of all the players i love at least half would have technically bad habits or gaps in knowledge. It's part of their sound just as my bad habits are part of mine. If everyone were perfect we'd all sound the same.

The most important thing I can share from my 30 years playing, is practice, practice and practice. Then gig, gig and gig. There is no substitute for hours under your belt.

I understand the "unique sound" aspects on this... But does it have to happen with a slight trepidation of the hand? Or ignorance on the music?
Perhaps I'm just applying the scientific aspect towards the thing we call art. Maybe that's where the downfall is... but if Robert Johnson understood what "mode" he was playing in, would it have made him a less influencial player?

My argument [of basics] wasn't solely on techniques. It applied to theory as well. If you can play a Led Zeppelin song, does it sound more or less beautiful when you understand the mechanisms/ genre-specific influences?

[monkey66]

Hey Paul - glad you're chipping in around here. Didn't mean to piss off SBob but perhaps I was a tad too blunt on my side...
Hoping he'd come back to the discussion with my apologies...


I understand the "unique sound" aspects on this... But does it have to happen with a slight trepidation of the hand? Or ignorance on the music?
Perhaps I'm just applying the scientific aspect towards the thing we call art. Maybe that's where the downfall is... but if Robert Johnson understood what "mode" he was playing in, would it have made him a less influencial player?

My argument [of basics] wasn't solely on techniques. It applied to theory as well. If you can play a Led Zeppelin song, does it sound more or less beautiful when you understand the mechanisms/ genre-specific influences?

I get your point but musical theory is not for everyone. I know many great players who have almost no academic understanding. The reality is everything you learn influences everything you play. I'm damn sure if RJ, Keith, Muddy, Freddy, Duane, Albert, Carlos, Django, Wolf, Stevie and Jimi all attended GuitarTec we would be short a lot of seminal music.

I'm of course not dismissing the acedemic study of music, but simply suggesting as with most artistic expression there are many potential paths.

I always played my best with my eyes closed and my heart and gut telling my fingers where to dance.