New Law in scotland

[ValeTudoGuy]

But I won't catch up to PJ if I can't post while I'm driving!........... Joke.


The penalty for phone use should be much harsher IMO.

[dmacleod28]

i still dont understand why your not allowed to use your phone but you can play around with an mp3 player or sat nav surly this is just as dangerous

[ValeTudoGuy]

While you are technically correct that the law specific to phones revolves around using it for the act off communication which effectively separates it from the other items you pointed out.... They would still be covered as still are phones under the wider law of driving without due care and attention.
People have and continue to be reprimanded under this law for those actions.

In Lancashire we have something called operation pathway which involves plain clothes spotters and uniform trap teams. I have personally dealt with people for all of these issues in addition to reading books/papers while driving and eating/drinking while driving.

[TonyN]

Blowing into the tube to start the car would save the danger of drink driving without the increased policing & fines of the current system & yes Tony, I remember this too. I think they have such devices in the States for ex Drink Driving offenders. Guess it's only the cost that prohibits the manufacturers from fitting as standard.

Think they should fit them in thats the only way to stop drink drivers killing innocent people.

[rascal]

Think they should fit them in thats the only way to stop drink drivers killing innocent people.

And they won't be as easy to fool as filling a ballon with air before you go in the pub? Think that's why you will never see them fitted mainstream as there really not much a determent

[Ross.Co]

DO NOT CONSUME ALCOHOL AND DRIVE.

Simple.

If you do, kill yourself and no one else. Twice I have nearly been killed by drink drivers - Once on a bike and once in a car. One of them I knocked the fuck out after I crawled out of my friends car that was upside down. If I had known JB was dead I would of stamped on the cunts face. 4 friends got into a car, 3 made it out. RIP JB.

[TonyN]

DO NOT CONSUME ACOLHOL AND DRIVE.+1

[dmacleod28]

DO NOT CONSUME ACOLHOL AND DRIVE.+1

+2

[ValeTudoGuy]

It's an emotive subject, but there's a massive difference between having a skin full and having a responsible small amount. The current law accounts for this and I am yet to see anyone provide data to show how many fatalities have been caused by blood alcohol levels below our current legal level.

I think people vilify alcohol because it's one of societies favourite Devils along with tobacco. It's much easier to blame a substance than the human behind the problem.

I also wonder how perfect the driving behaviour of people decrying any form of alcohol consumption is, perhaps you should take a look at my previously posted reasons not to drive and stick to them like glue.

And please let's not go down the route of condoning physical assaults on our fellow human beings for any reason.

I didn't deal with this incident myself but I am aware of a fatal car crash. Officer turns up to find two crashed cars a badly beaten driver laying on the pavement and an angry other driver all to willing to tel the officer "Yeah, he crashed into me so I beat him up."

Unfortunately there was also a dead woman in one of the cars. And unfortunately for the guy laying on the ground just having the living shit kicked out of him he was later going (Somehow) wake up in hospital to find out that he was in the process of having a stroke while driving which caused the crash that killed his own wife... And to top it off we will never know if she could have been saved because the only other person that had any chance of helping was too busy trying to kill the only other mobile person at the incident.

[Ross.Co]

It's an emotive subject, but there's a massive difference between having a skin full and having a responsible small amount. The current law accounts for this and I am yet to see anyone provide data to show how many fatalities have been caused by blood alcohol levels below our current legal level.

I think people vilify alcohol because it's one of societies favourite Devils along with tobacco. It's much easier to blame a substance than the human behind the problem.

I also wonder how perfect the driving behaviour of people decrying any form of alcohol consumption is, perhaps you should take a look at my previously posted reasons not to drive and stick to them like glue.

And please let's not go down the route of condoning physical assaults on our fellow human beings for any reason.

I didn't deal with this incident myself but I am aware of a fatal car crash. Officer turns up to find two crashed cars a badly beaten driver laying on the pavement and an angry other driver all to willing to tel the officer "Yeah, he crashed into me so I beat him up."

Unfortunately there was also a dead woman in one of the cars. And unfortunately for the guy laying on the ground just having the living shit kicked out of him he was later going (Somehow) wake up in hospital to find out that he was in the process of having a stroke while driving which caused the crash that killed his own wife... And to top it off we will never know if she could have been saved because the only other person that had any chance of helping was too busy trying to kill the only other mobile person at the incident.

I must say great points and as ever a balanced approach.

On both of my occasions, they were both not even close to being under the limit.

When the car went over and we had to crawl out with the smell of burning with a mixture of fuel, picking glass out of you, with pure fear mixed with adrenaline and then the elation of walking away from the car to then have the driver of the other car walk oven and being highly threatening with said driver hitting my friend, well, I only hit him the once. Looking back, would I do it again, absolutely, am I grateful that I did not kill him, absolutely, as that would make me a person who has taken life.

My apologies for those that may think I am encouraging ABH or GBH, I am not. Do I view drinking and driving based on my own experiences, I am afraid I do.

I can still smell the burning smell if I close my eyes.

Statistics, without the raw data source should be viewed with caution. If you were to drive on 1 hours sleep would this mean you are more dangerous to someone that has had a tipple or pint, more than likely. But that could be another thread.

Ultimately, I believe that it you are driving, it may be an idea to not have an alcoholic beverage.

Cheers,

Ross.Co

[ValeTudoGuy]

I'm wasn't trying to judge your situation Ross so thanks for seeing that. I just wanted to move away from the direction of discussing physical violence, purely because every situation is different and violence is rarely the required action.

I suppose the crux of what I'm trying to say and I'm not sure how well I'm putting it across is that there's much more at play when we discuss the safety of our roads and it's easy to start a crusade against one perceived catalyst.

My personal view is that if the powers that be aimed their efforts away from the already heavily targeted issues surrounding alcohol they may make gains that have been ignored or left lagging behind due to the vitriolic vilification of people whom I have yet to see proof are doing anything wrong.

Edit: There is also the fact that I myself do partake in the activity of drinking small amounts and driving, so naturally I will defend my actions.

[PeeJay]

It makes me laugh when I hear people complaining about county police forces taking action against drivers with all the horror stories about unfairness in the red top tabloids. In London since they neutered the Traffic Division most police officers don't give a toss about traffic law and unless you're stupid enough to miss a camera or unlucky enough to have a collision you're going to get away with most traffic offences most of the time. We're just too busy running around like blue arsed flies trying to meet the governments targets on attending the 14,000 calls we get each day.

[Ross.Co]

I'm wasn't trying to judge your situation Ross so thanks for seeing that. I just wanted to move away from the direction of discussing physical violence, purely because every situation is different and violence is rarely the required action.

I suppose the crux of what I'm trying to say and I'm not sure how well I'm putting it across is that there's much more at play when we discuss the safety of our roads and it's easy to start a crusade against one perceived catalyst.

My personal view is that if the powers that be aimed their efforts away from the already heavily targeted issues surrounding alcohol they may make gains that have been ignored or left lagging behind due to the vitriolic vilification of people whom I have yet to see proof are doing anything wrong.

Edit: There is also the fact that I myself do partake in the activity of drinking small amounts and driving, so naturally I will defend my actions.

Of course I would not view you as judging my situation...old Ross.Co may well have....

This is a discussion about an incredibly emotive subject and VTG, you are doing a damn fine job in highlighting the MASSIVE (excuse caps but it is huge) amount of other areas in a drivers daily life that can ultimately have an effect on either his or hers driving ability.

Alcohol, in quantities above the current permitted laws will have an effect on you. We all know this to be true and with a little Dutch courage can end up in a serious or fatal crash.

I must be honest and say that I am tired of alcohol being bashed with the big red stick. Very rarely do you hear about people on medication (any) having accidents, but am sure this statistic is huge.

VTG - This could of just been a thread where everyone lays into drink driving. Instead you have guided it to a discussion, and I must say it is hard at times to get out of the mist that you as a person are in, about driving in general.

Do I view you as a potential killer when you have a pint or tipple in a pub and get into your car? I really do not. Do I still believe that a situation where you bring alcohol and driving together should be avoided, yes I do. I stand by not consuming alcohol and driving.

Cheers,

Ross.Co

[cigarmo]

I think the roads would be a lot safer if
All people over 70 could only drive on tuesdays.
All caravans could only be used on the fifth friday of any month.
All chavs with an IQ lower that 195 could Only drive if they have both parents with them.

[PeeJay]

I think the roads would be a lot safer if
All people over 70 could only drive on tuesdays.
All caravans could only be used on the fifth friday of any month.
All chavs with an IQ lower that 195 could Only drive if they have both parents with them.

So the oldies have got to move from Sunday to Tuesday?