Mixed advice?

[ValeTudoGuy]

sounds about right...
we were threatened by a phone call to the police when we tried that. damn preservationists... Squirrels aren't endangered!! thank god for coyotes and foxen that actively hunt the squirrel population here!!

we also have raccoons here which are big enough to tip over anything smaller than a car. they've also massacred my koi pond a few years back.


illegal to catch and release, but not to kill? that's all sorts of weird...

Because they are an invasive non natural species.

[PeeJay]

is there anything cute and furry you don't eat?

Not according to his girlfriend

[ValeTudoGuy]

It's very sad, the reds didn't stand a chance against the larger greys and are all but gone from our shores. The number of invasive species we have is a problem, parakeets are a problem in London, mink in the new Forrest etc etc. Those mink were released from a fur farm by animal rights nut jobs and have devastated the wild predictors in the area. The act of releasing them caused more problems to native wiildlife than if there was a cull. Idiots thought they were standing up for these Mink but what they did through arrogance was far more destructive than any mink farm. If it's ok to farm pigs and sheep then why not mink? They probably went to the mink farm wearing leather shoes. Narrow minded fools. It brings the Veal industry to mind but that's another rant. Needless to say I'm a big fan of veal which is a by product of the dairy industry anyway. I rambling sorry.

Yeah, but if nobody eats veal.... They die for nothing.

[Tucky]

The buzz word description is 'rose veal'. No crated, had a bit of a life, ate some grass etc.

[butternutsquashpie]

It's very sad, the reds didn't stand a chance against the larger greys and are all but gone from our shores. The number of invasive species we have is a problem, parakeets are a problem in London, mink in the new Forrest etc etc. Those mink were released from a fur farm by animal rights nut jobs and have devastated the wild predictors in the area. The act of releasing them caused more problems to native wiildlife than if there was a cull..

Really? I thought Stalin won the battle of Western Russia?

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[Budgie Smuggler]

Yeah, but if nobody eats veal.... They die for nothing.

Plus it just tastes so bloody good.


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[ValeTudoGuy]

Plus it just tastes so bloody good.


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There is that!

[tommy]

Really? I thought Stalin won the battle of Western Russia?

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Groan.

[tommy]

By the way butters I tried to PM you but it was full.

[Simon-JG-hr]

Well, this thread has turned interesting... In a good way. Some excellent points tommy - it can be so infuriating listening to 'do-gooders' spouting off about things like veal (or releasing minks etc), who are totally ignorant of the big picture. There seems to be a particular problem amongst 'environmentalists' and animal rights protestors who generally view things entirely without context - they get their little project, and develop a tunnel vision which prevents them from seeing the wider and long-term consequences of what they desire.

[oskihen]

Well, this thread has turned interesting... In a good way. Some excellent points tommy - it can be so infuriating listening to 'do-gooders' spouting off about things like veal (or releasing minks etc), who are totally ignorant of the big picture. There seems to be a particular problem amongst 'environmentalists' and animal rights protestors who generally view things entirely without context - they get their little project, and develop a tunnel vision which prevents them from seeing the wider and long-term consequences of what they desire.

I agree with your above statement , but aren't we all sometimes subject to a bit of tunnel vision. We are all guilty of it the older I get and wiser life is generally six of one and half a dozen of the other we all have to be considerate to other people's views and I believe generally people are considerate and sensible regarding the overall picture. The ones who preach on either side far left or right are the losers . There is always two sides to an argument and generally somewhere in the middle is the right answer . ............. Christ need a cigar now any excuse lol

[ValeTudoGuy]

Yeah, it could be argued that had the mink never been brought here to farm that they could never have been released.

Though on some level my opinion is, that given Humans are a natural species.... Everything we do is within the natural order.

I sometimes find it hard to swallow my own feelings on that matter, and often find my own position distasteful. Yet I always come back to that way of thinking.

I hunt and fish, yet I possibly value animals as highly as people.... Sometimes higher because I can have a pretty dim view of humanity.

Part of me feels that everything is just energy eternally traveling a journey that from my perspective might as well be endless.... So why even worry about what we do, because it really doesn't matter one iota and won't even be noticed by the greater existence.

The other part of me feels that our hierarchical system of judging rights by a capacity to think is absolute bullshit, surely for a life form to have rights the only question we should ask is does it have the capacity to suffer?

[Simon-JG-hr]

I agree with your above statement , but aren't we all sometimes subject to a bit of tunnel vision. We are all guilty of it the older I get and wiser life is generally six of one and half a dozen of the other we all have to be considerate to other people's views and I believe generally people are considerate and sensible regarding the overall picture. The ones who preach on either side far left or right are the losers . There is always two sides to an argument and generally somewhere in the middle is the right answer . ............. Christ need a cigar now any excuse lol

Excellent points! I'm always thankful that I have a fairly broad spectrum of friends, and some of the ones I enjoy spending time with the most (probably debating something at the pub) are the ones I disagree with! Always good to have view points challenged, the more you know about the other side's arguments the more you can appreciate their plus points and negative points (and, indeed, you might come across a weakness in your own argument). We rarely convert one another, but we've certainly seen people within our group adapt the way they think - about everything from the NHS to the ongoing stout versus porter debate...


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[Stevieboy]

Don't bite the cap off....IMHO

[EdBlackadder]

Two interesting topics in one thread!

Regarding the article, real mixed bag. I appreciate the sentiment of 'smoke how you want' but the rest seems a bit silly. That said last time I was on holiday I used matches to punch the cap so apparently I'm bad and wrong.

Regarding the other, people fail to think things through. Case in point, animal testing. We'd love to have ah alternative but right now we don't. Yet rather than rational debate they'll hurt the animals by releasing them into an alien environment following a rough, rushed transfer in the dead of night. Mind, I guess that's easier to justify than halting new drug research.