thoughts on yesterday's murder in woolwich....

[senor_robusto]

i know this isn't the place to air political opinions and stuff of that nature.......... but what the fuck, that footage of the murder scene in woolwich yesterday was unbelievable!! i know that everyone will be shocked about what happened, but you guys over on the mainland, what's your thoughts on it? not looking to start debate on religion or immigration, i'm more interested in hearing about this type of crime over your side of the pond!!

reason why i'm asking is that only a couple of years ago, dissident republicans set up, ambushed and murdered 2 serving soldiers here in antrim!! the police allegedly had/ have loads of evidence on the culprits responsible, yet both have been acquitted..... one has been acquitted TWICE!!! one of these men was arrested only 6 months ago in connection with the murder of a northern irish prison guard on his way to work!! these were TERRORIST ATTACKS that were handled very badly by the police, courts and politicians!! i'm amazed at the response this murder/ terrorist attack (assuming that it was and not simply 2 nut jobs acting off their own bat) is getting from westminster and the general public, i'm glad...... but i can't help but feel sad for the families of the 2 soldiers killed here during what should be peace time!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Ma...racks_shooting

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dissident-Republican-Brian-Shivers-cleared-of-murdering-two-British-soldiers-at-Massereene-barracks---206095951.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20296702

anyway, my sympathy goes out to that soldier's family, friends and colleagues!!

alex

[butternutsquashpie]

i know this isn't the place to air political opinions and stuff of that nature.......... but what the fuck, that footage of the murder scene in woolwich yesterday was unbelievable!! i know that everyone will be shocked about what happened, but you guys over on the mainland, what's your thoughts on it? not looking to start debate on religion or immigration, i'm more interested in hearing about this type of crime over your side of the pond!!

Well on this side of the LARGER pond, i Saw this on the news this morning too.
The reactions and headlines said it was a "potential terrorist stike." And when the media says that, it's a fooking terrorist strike.
I didnt pay too much attention to it. But thanks for clearing up the situ. It's always good to have an uncensored media source. our news outlets never say what one would and can say over the web

[senor_robusto]

well, according to the latest updates, the murderer who spoke of the attack has been named an it seems that he was known to the security forces!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468

alex

[Eddie]

I think the Irish situation is different and the police etc will try to be lenient so as not to derail a peace process on a knife edge. Whereas with these guys, there is no group that is in discussions (if they are in a larger group).

My main concern is that it will result in revenge attacks and it may spiral out of control.

[Batler]

It's making me realise that I don't want to live in this country anymore. Not because of the attacks but because of the reaction of a vast majority of people.

There's a sickening amount of people saying all Muslims should be sent back or burnt etc. I thought the average British citizen was better than that. The attacks were from two unhinged psychos regardless of their religion or colour. They have shown no humanity and deserve to suffer

[butternutsquashpie]

It's making me realise that I don't want to live in this country anymore. Not because of the attacks but because of the reaction of a vast majority of people.

There's a sickening amount of people saying all Muslims should be sent back or burnt etc. I thought the average British citizen was better than that. The attacks were from two unhinged psychos regardless of their religion or colour. They have shown no humanity and deserve to suffer

The situ in America is even worse. Especially when the mates broadcast that te communist muslims....... I'll leave it thereThen my mate's eastern european parents say the same thing in canada.
It's quite anti-muslim on this side of the larger pond too.

Of course, like you say, the average brit/american is better than that. But they hold their voices. So their silence of neutrality is drowned by the screams of rage and hate of the angrier racist ones. It's the reason everyone "hates" americans. Because of that small, racist group that makes them all seem bad.

[senor_robusto]

I think the Irish situation is different and the police etc will try to be lenient so as not to derail a peace process on a knife edge. Whereas with these guys, there is no group that is in discussions (if they are in a larger group).

My main concern is that it will result in revenge attacks and it may spiral out of control.

i see what you mean..... but the dissident republicans are NOT in discussions with the british!! they believe that the only way to achieve a united ireland is by armed struggle and elimination of the military presence.... whereas mainstream republicans now believe that dialogue is the only way to resolve the conflict!! just as the islamic extremists in britain, the dissidents in northern ireland believe they are at war with britain because they are occupying & interfering in their land!!

anyway, i see the EDL jumped on it right away, and protested in woolwich last night, resulting in a skirmish with the police!! shameful behaviour......

alex

[Eddie]

anyway, i see the EDL jumped on it right away, and protested in woolwich last night, resulting in a skirmish with the police!! shameful behaviour......

alex

If you hate foreigners that much you want to kill them all in revenge for a soldiers death, why throw bottles etc at british police?

[senor_robusto]

If you hate foreigners that much you want to kill them all in revenge for a soldiers death, why throw bottles etc at british police?

exactly!!! oh, the irony of it!!

alex

[BoneyBlade]

I think we need to get the definition of terrorism right. Terrorism to me is killing of innocent and if I am right, then look around the world what is happening. I am not justifying the killing here. These 2 guys should be hanged I say or I think they already been shot dead but so should be this justice like this everywhere in the world.

[Eddie]

No the definition of terrorism is performing acts to cause terror. This may be killing or bombing or just threats to cause panic. Killing an innocent person is just murder killing a guilty one is revenge (and still murder). Both can be acts of terror

[Puff Scotty]

Whilst I agree with your sentiments Alex...& your'e aware of my views..
Here, is perhaps not the best place to have a thread airing views on what is essentially an ongoing emotive subject.
When you still have people convinced the IRA AC should be the legitimate government for the Irish Republic then there will be no real chance of ever moving away from these acts of barbarism.
Too much heartache & history to ever be forgotten..

[senor_robusto]

Whilst I agree with your sentiments Alex...& your'e aware of my views..
Here, is perhaps not the best place to have a thread airing views on what is essentially an ongoing emotive subject.
When you still have people convinced the IRA AC should be the legitimate government for the Irish Republic then there will be no real chance of ever moving away from these acts of barbarism.
Too much heartache & history to ever be forgotten..

absolutely........ can't agree with you more!! 'terrorist threat' is still very much a part of life in northern ireland!! those 2 soldiers were gunned down in a very brutal manner, as was that prison officer!! both incidents were claimed by the new 'IRA' and were condemned by sinn fein and mainstream republicans!! like most terrorists, those responsible were well known to the police and MI5, yet with a mass of evidence against them, the authorities were unable to take preventative measures and even now are unable to do anything against them!! the same it seems for the woolwich killers......

alex

[cigarsam]

Well on this side of the LARGER pond, i Saw this on the news this morning too.
The reactions and headlines said it was a "potential terrorist stike." And when the media says that, it's a fooking terrorist strike.
I didnt pay too much attention to it. But thanks for clearing up the situ. It's always good to have an uncensored media source. our news outlets never say what one would and can say over the web

Just another reason why the BBC is the best news organisation in the world.
The BBC is the only un-biased reporting media in the world.

Terrible attack by muslims who clearly don't understand the Quaran.

[butternutsquashpie]

Just another reason why the BBC is the best news organisation in the world.
The BBC is the only un-biased reporting media in the world.

Terrible attack by muslims who clearly don't understand the Quaran.

Ah but we have the CBC! (Canadian). Almost no political views are expressed there. Only politicians on that outlet are those who are newly elected into office and all.

Even when the mayor of our city is scandalised for smoking crack, CBC refused to post on it. I'd say the CBC is quite like his mother

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