Counterfeit Montecristo GR's and Cohiba 1966's...

[JOAO LA PEZ]

Oh right I had a pm saying I had been promted haha. Nevermind ill ask again when I reach the number

When i click on your name there is no pm available.

[JOAO LA PEZ]

I do wonder where these are produced. I cannot imagine any printer in Europe or America knowingly printing clearly counterfeit products.

Just speculation but China springs to mind (Puffy called it).

Dude you are having a laugh, I spent my working life in print, when i retired in 2004 there were machines like photocopiers (Digital printing presses ) that would do just about everything needed, it really would be easy to do, the fakes are very amateur, colour matching is shite on all the printing

[baileyth]

ahh well if something can be done to make money it will be,

[joeray]

Dude you are having a laugh, I spent my working life in print, when i retired in 2004 there were machines like photocopiers (Digital printing presses ) that would do just about everything needed, it really would be easy to do, the fakes are very amateur, colour matching is shite on all the printing

Just go to Alibaba.com and do a search for Cohiba. All fake labels, etc. from China.

[monkey66]

Dude you are having a laugh, I spent my working life in print, when i retired in 2004 there were machines like photocopiers (Digital printing presses ) that would do just about everything needed, it really would be easy to do, the fakes are very amateur, colour matching is shite on all the printing

Interesting. In your experience would printers turn a blind eye to the clear counterfeiting? Also how easy is it to reproduce the warranty labels with the fine detail and holograms?

Sent from happy, clappy, tappy.

[Smallclub]

Interesting. In your experience would printers turn a blind eye to the clear counterfeiting? Also how easy is it to reproduce the warranty labels with the fine detail and holograms?

For big money, finding the printer is the easiest part of the job. As for the labels, easy job, no, but feasable, yes.

[monkey66]

For big money, finding the printer is the easiest part of the job. As for the labels, easy job, no, but feasable, yes.

I'm sure it is possible but high risk. My thinking is the kind of equipment that can produce multi-material holographic labels normally belongs to a reasonable sized company with at least a few employee's. It is one thing for a one man band to put out fake stuff at night when on his own, quite another when you are relying on your employee's not to go to jail.

Of course all just speculation for discussion.

Joao - you were in the industry, what sort of set-up would be needed to produce labels like that?

[JOAO LA PEZ]

Interesting. In your experience would printers turn a blind eye to the clear counterfeiting? Also how easy is it to reproduce the warranty labels with the fine detail and holograms?

Sent from happy, clappy, tappy.

The warranty label would be easy, given the computer set ups now, years ago when it would have been printed Letterpress that would have been a lot harder, now it would just need to be scanned, run through a sharpening program to take out the rough edges, imposed and a plate made, no idea about holographic images. given whats available it should not be difficult.

[JOAO LA PEZ]

Any small single color press for the green label, then just a holograph machine

http://www.3dz.co.uk/

First to appear on google search

If someone brings a job into a print shop and asks for some labels with holograms unless the owner is savvy to hooky cigars is he likely to ask questions, lets face it it's not illegal to print the labels, and Cuba does not seem able to defend it's brand names, well not in the USA

[monkey66]

OK, now I'm scared.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/545298691/aluminum_printed_cigar_tubes_cohiba.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/606269287/Cohiba_Wooden_Sliding_Lid_Small_Cigar.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/564084035/cohiba_cigar_humidor_box.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/565005048/aluminum_cohiba_cigar_tube_packaging.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/617753087/cohiba_behike_spanish_ceder_wood_cigar.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/625993888/luxury_spanish_ceder_cohiba_behike_cigar.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/613550195/Small_Wood_Cohiba_Cigar_Box_for.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/581530095/montecristo_cigar_tube_packaging.html

http://szjunen.en.alibaba.com/product/572714965-213192034/aluminum_tube_for_cigars_romeo_juliet.html

http://szjunen.en.alibaba.com/product/567797868-213192034/stainless_aluminum_cigar_smoking_tube_packaging.html

Book cigars...

http://kaiyingcigarbox.en.alibaba.com/productshowimg/358073717-210607844/cigar_humidor.html

[JOAO LA PEZ]

Now do you get why i smoke Quintero's,

no results on Alibaba

[Ozzy]

Could I get a PM saying where these are from, so i end up not buying from them

[tippexx]

Dude you are having a laugh, I spent my working life in print, when i retired in 2004 there were machines like photocopiers (Digital printing presses ) that would do just about everything needed, it really would be easy to do, the fakes are very amateur, colour matching is shite on all the printing

JLP is ABSOLUTELY correct. The errors are almost schoolboy. Any halfway decent graphic designer could set up everything necessary for print repro (bands, cartons, laser) exactly. I know I could do it.

The cigars are fake, possibly cuban tobacco and most likely produced in a Factory in Central America. These factories operate openly and will often call themselves Davidoff123, Cohiba1966 or similar. They operate during the space of time prior to Habanos SA discovering them and throughout the period needed to get them into court and dealt with, which in Central America can be a long time. They make no bones about what they produce and sell and the smokes can be found in tobacconists from Mexico to Patagonia.

The printing (mistakes) are not mistakes, they are wriggle room and just enough to change the accusation of 'counterfeiting' to 'passing off'. Counterfeiters found guilty go to prison. Businesses found guilty of 'passing off' have pay fines and compensate the claimant for loss of profits. Habanos do invariably win, but by then all money has vanished out of the guilty business, which then goes into liquidation and closes down on a Friday only to open it's doors the following Monday with a new name and the same owners.

Monk, believe me. If the Chinese ever turn their full printing skills to Habanos stuff finding the differences would be almost impossible.

[tippexx]

Interesting. In your experience would printers turn a blind eye to the clear counterfeiting? Also how easy is it to reproduce the warranty labels with the fine detail and holograms?

Sent from happy, clappy, tappy.

Habanos made a rapid and unexpected change to hologram/seal late 2010 early 2011. It coincided almost exactly with the period when the factories were put off limit to tourists and visitors. I think it's not impossible that there was a serious investigation going on and that a lot of seals had gone missing.

[JOAO LA PEZ]

It beggars the question why do they not go legit if they can get Cuban leaf and the resulting cigars seem to be of marketable quality, which would be a long term business plan rather than making a quick buck and run.