Aged?

[Emaresee]

Earlier today I read an instagram post from a US based BOTL. I suspect he is relatively new to cigars, but from his posts was buying prolifically and lots from HK mail order firms. Anyway, he was celebrating the arrival of a box of 'aged' montes, and declared that they were of modest age at a year old. I suspect he was being sold to by some savvy sales man... most B&M have stock older than that by the sheer fact that they don't shift sufficient volumes. Working to the assumption that he meant it had a '17 stamp, they may not yet be a year old...

I'm not looking to do this chap down, but rather get your views on what aged really means to you!

Wherever possible I look to about 3 years for 'new' regular production and stretch out to 5 years and beyond if I can make them last. Otherwise, dependant upon the stick I will happily enjoy them with as much age as I can give them/ get if they are well kept. And there is the rub, condition is king. So... perhaps share your favourite marca / vitola and your target number of years ageing, or where you are up to on aging yours.

Heres a few of my own experiences:


SCdlH - La Fuerza - 5-10+ although smoke great quite young
Cohiba - Robusto - 5+
Monte - petit no2 -3 and rolling forward.
Partagas - p2 - 15+
HdM - petit robusto - 3-5+
Upmann - HUHC - 2+


MRC

[MR. BROWN]

I’m happy to receive 2016 / ‘15 boxes ....

In general, I think production / quality has been great during the last 4 years ( probably in comparison to the 2000 - 2005 period, during a significant ‘fling’ when I bought a lot and struggled with quality / construction ) and 2 years box age does wonders at present.

Bought a 2016 box of Rass earlier this month and am about to enjoy second last !

[ha_banos]

A lot of online retailers offer aged stock from 2016. That's how they talk so that's how consumers fall in line.

I get the impression that the number of cigar buyers are increasing?

In my spreadsheet the cells go green when the cigars are 10 years old. Then when I try one I might change my mind!

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[PeeJay]

The Stages of Cigar Aging – From Fresh to Vintage

December 21, 2015 Franca Comparetto

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The typical smoker of aged and vintage cigars is one who appreciates the value of time and the delicacy in the works of art that a manufacturer can create. These are educated passionados thanks in part to their experimentation over the years with the aging of different cigars. Not every cigar lover becomes a vintage cigar passionado, but for many this is a natural process of maturing in their cigar smoker career as described in Nino Inzerillo’s book Sigari? Si, grazie!.
This article compiles opinions and information published from some of the world’s leading experts on the topic of cigar aging. According to Luigi Ferri (as referenced by Nick Hammond in the article “It Just Takes Time”, Cigar Journal issue 3/2015), whose considerations are based on over 30 years of experience in the tasting of cigars of various ages, generally speaking we can divide the life of a cigar into three ages.
Youth (fresh cigar) – from 0 to 3-4 years

The “sick period” is typically included in this stage and it is one that needs a lot of attention because cigars should not be smoked during this time. “Immediately after rolling” explains Min Ron Nee (famous author of the book An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post-Revolution Havana Cigars) “a cigar undergoes a sick period, during which the ammoniac [sic] smell is still detectable in a newly manufactured cigar.” This is due to the fact that tobacco leaves are moistened before rolling and this accelerates a further fermentation producing a lot of ammonia. How long it takes to get rid of the ammonia scent depends on the fermentation rate, the chemical constituents, the cigar size, the packaging and how we store cigars. Per Min Ron Nee, “For the majority of cigars handled in the usual way, the ammoniac smell will be over 90% gone in a few months, 95% to 99% gone by the end of the first year, and practically all gone by the end of the second year. Milder cigars .. take even less time.”
Fresh cigars are the majority of the cigars we find on the retailers shelves. Didier Hoevenaghel (agricultural engineer, technical expert, master blender as well as cigar manufacturer and author of the highly respected book The Cigar from Soil to Soul) defines the Market Standard Age (MSA) of cigars as being “1-3 years (from their rolling) depending on the distribution, retail shop and rotation of the brand.”
Seniority (aged cigar) – from 5-6 years to 15-20 years

This, according to Luigi Ferri, is the best period of maturation. Zino Davidoff (in his The Connoisseur’s Book of the Cigar) wrote “you have to have a particularly keen sense of smell and eyesight to notice aging effects. But that does not mean that the cigar no longer lives, it’s just that this process becomes more discreet, almost unnoticeable”.
Min Ron Nee defines two initial stages of maturation, and it gets more complicated. Also, bear in mind that stages may overlap: first maturation, when cigars continue to produce incrementally pleasant flavors as a consequence of continuous fermentation. Min Ron Nee writes “the slower the fermentation, the more time the chemical constituents have to mingle with each other, the more complex the flavors that are generated. As fermentation slows down, less pleasant flavors are lost through evaporation, chemical reactions, self-degradation, etc. This stage may span from 2-3 years for mild cigars stored in non airtight boxes to 10-15 for strong cigars in cabinets. The second maturation is the phase in which tannic acids further decompose and this interacts with the improved flavors originating from continuous fermentation. This maturation corresponds to the peak for pleasant flavors and might take more than 15 years, depending on the level of tannins and woodiness.
Min Ron Nee also refers to a “first vacuum period“, when “some cigars may lack adequate pleasant flavors … during first maturation … are unfairly judged … but when these cigars reach the second maturity … they have a kind of class and elegance which ordinary cigars can never match”. According to Min Ron Nee, Sancho Panza are the best example of this type of cigars.
Some cigars do not present sufficient wood and tannic substances to generate pleasant flavors even in the second maturation stage, they might need 20-25 years to develop finesse, what Min Ron Nee calls the “second vacuum period“. These cigars may be branded with poor aging potential because of this. El Rey del Mundo are, according to Min Ron Nee, the best example.
Old age (vintage cigar) – Over 20 years of aging

Zino Davidoff writes “Naturally, what is possible in Cuba, with a humid climate made for tobacco, is not always possible in Europe or North America. By the time cigars have reached these places, they may have suffered from the trip. You cannot keep a cigar there for 25 years, even if it’s a good vintage given the best of care.”
According to Luigi Ferri, at this stage, most cigars lose the best organoleptic characteristics. The typical life-span of a cigar has a course almost like a parabola with downward concavity, uphill to the top, until it reaches and maintains the maximum for a number of years and then decays, sometimes very quickly.
Ferri writes “If cigars are poorly preserved, the decay is faster and makes the cigar anonymous, flat, with little strength and an aroma of dusty earth.” Also, very importantly, “no low quality cigar can become good with aging!” He adds that a lot of research is still required on the “old age” stage.
Min Ron Nee admits there is no knowledge relating to this stage, which corresponds approximately to his definition of third maturation. However, he states that cigars produced in the 1950’s seem to still require time before their bouquets would peak. “Finesse, akin to that of greatly aged Bordeaux or Burgundy wine, is what begins to appear after 20 years. The chemical reactions behind this kind of aging might be similar to the mysterious ‘wine in a bottle’ maturing process.” The aromas are extremely complicated. Ethereal is the nearest word Min Ron Nee applies for these cigars. “Smelling a 50 year old Don Candido against a 20 year old you would instantly realize that this great bouquet is about four times stronger and no words can describe how great these bouquets smell, because of the paucity of the primitive human vocabulary”.
This stage is the one that created most debate among experts, most of them believing, as Luigi Ferri illustrated, that cigars at this stage have already shown their best qualities. Some even believe that the power of suggestion may lead vintage cigars to be over-prized simply for their antiquity.

This article was first published by Franca Comparetto at Cigar Sense.

[Emaresee]

interesting views boys...... thanks for sharing. And a great article thanks [MENTION=13402615]PeeJay[/MENTION]

we definitely value age, when it's longer. The few I have had with c.20+ years age really have been quite sublime.

[TJCoro]

Go Away Lil? Puro

I’m happy to receive 2016 / ‘15 boxes ....

In general, I think production / quality has been great during the last 4 years ( probably in comparison to the 2000 - 2005 period, during a significant ‘fling’ when I bought a lot and struggled with quality / construction ) and 2 years box age does wonders at present.

Bought a 2016 box of Rass earlier this month and am about to enjoy second last !

Right. I pretty much agree with senor Mr. Brown. A Coro rule-of-thumb (No. 26, if memory serves me correctly) is a minimum of one year...two is better...three is great. But it takes a lot of discipline and willpower, quite frankly, to get beyond three years, especially if you live with multiple familia members who also enjoy a daily puro or two.

Fun Fact! There are a handful of Bolivar RCs that were manufactured during the final stages of the so-called Cigar Boom (2002) that are some of the best sticks in the don’s massive unit. So good, in fact, they can’t be smoked. Crazy, right?



Jay, Ray Jay

[PeeJay]

My oldest smokable cigars are from 1962, they're Brazilian and still smoke well. I have some Manekin from 1938 but I wouldn't want to smoke them.

[Shaun]

Vast majority of Cubans for me are perfect with 3-5 years on them, much older than this and they start to lose some strength and flavour for me and become too mellow.

[Emaresee]

Vast majority of Cubans for me are perfect with 3-5 years on them, much older than this and they start to lose some strength and flavour for me and become too mellow.

interesting... I like the mellowness, but find they dont lack flavour.

Different palates and different folk.

3-5 seems to be the favoured hang time so far...

[JoeyGunz]

I like at least 3-5 years under the belt to start, then go from there trying one every 6 months or 1 a year until they're where I like them.

I've smoked cigars 100 years old thank's to Martyn

[7kingsguy]

Ive been aging for years and havent improved at all!

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[PeeJay]

Ive been aging for years and havent improved at all!

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I'm aging like a cigar, rounded and a bit leathery (and yes I do have that tee shirt!)

[ha_banos]

Ive been aging for years and havent improved at all!

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They say men become distinguished. It's the women who worry about it... [emoji51][emoji56]

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[PeeJay]

They say men become distinguished. It's the women who worry about it... [emoji51][emoji56]

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Are you sure you don't mean extinguished!

[ha_banos]

Are you sure you don't mean extinguished!

myeah well. eventually.....