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  • #16
    Originally posted by PeeJay View Post
    The Stages of Cigar Aging ? From Fresh to Vintage

    Franca Comparetto

    The typical smoker of aged and vintage cigars is one who appreciates the value of time and the delicacy in the works of art that a manufacturer can create. These are educated passionados thanks in part to their experimentation over the years with the aging of different cigars. Not every cigar lover becomes a vintage cigar passionado, but for many this is a natural process of maturing in their cigar smoker career as described in Nino Inzerillo?s book Sigari? Si, grazie!.
    This article compiles opinions and information published from some of the world?s leading experts on the topic of cigar aging. According to Luigi Ferri (as referenced by Nick Hammond in the article ?It Just Takes Time?, Cigar Journal issue 3/2015), whose considerations are based on over 30 years of experience in the tasting of cigars of various ages, generally speaking we can divide the life of a cigar into three ages.
    Youth (fresh cigar) ? from 0 to 3-4 years

    The ?sick period? is typically included in this stage and it is one that needs a lot of attention because cigars should not be smoked during this time. ?Immediately after rolling? explains Min Ron Nee (famous author of the book An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post-Revolution Havana Cigars) ?a cigar undergoes a sick period, during which the ammoniac [sic] smell is still detectable in a newly manufactured cigar.? This is due to the fact that tobacco leaves are moistened before rolling and this accelerates a further fermentation producing a lot of ammonia. How long it takes to get rid of the ammonia scent depends on the fermentation rate, the chemical constituents, the cigar size, the packaging and how we store cigars. Per Min Ron Nee, ?For the majority of cigars handled in the usual way, the ammoniac smell will be over 90% gone in a few months, 95% to 99% gone by the end of the first year, and practically all gone by the end of the second year. Milder cigars .. take even less time.?
    Fresh cigars are the majority of the cigars we find on the retailers shelves. Didier Hoevenaghel (agricultural engineer, technical expert, master blender as well as cigar manufacturer and author of the highly respected book The Cigar from Soil to Soul) defines the Market Standard Age (MSA) of cigars as being ?1-3 years (from their rolling) depending on the distribution, retail shop and rotation of the brand.?
    Seniority (aged cigar) ? from 5-6 years to 15-20 years

    This, according to Luigi Ferri, is the best period of maturation. Zino Davidoff (in his The Connoisseur?s Book of the Cigar) wrote ?you have to have a particularly keen sense of smell and eyesight to notice aging effects. But that does not mean that the cigar no longer lives, it?s just that this process becomes more discreet, almost unnoticeable?.
    Min Ron Nee defines two initial stages of maturation, and it gets more complicated. Also, bear in mind that stages may overlap: first maturation, when cigars continue to produce incrementally pleasant flavors as a consequence of continuous fermentation. Min Ron Nee writes ?the slower the fermentation, the more time the chemical constituents have to mingle with each other, the more complex the flavors that are generated. As fermentation slows down, less pleasant flavors are lost through evaporation, chemical reactions, self-degradation, etc. This stage may span from 2-3 years for mild cigars stored in non airtight boxes to 10-15 for strong cigars in cabinets. The second maturation is the phase in which tannic acids further decompose and this interacts with the improved flavors originating from continuous fermentation. This maturation corresponds to the peak for pleasant flavors and might take more than 15 years, depending on the level of tannins and woodiness.
    Min Ron Nee also refers to a ?first vacuum period?, when ?some cigars may lack adequate pleasant flavors ? during first maturation ? are unfairly judged ? but when these cigars reach the second maturity ? they have a kind of class and elegance which ordinary cigars can never match?. According to Min Ron Nee, Sancho Panza are the best example of this type of cigars.
    Some cigars do not present sufficient wood and tannic substances to generate pleasant flavors even in the second maturation stage, they might need 20-25 years to develop finesse, what Min Ron Nee calls the ?second vacuum period?. These cigars may be branded with poor aging potential because of this. El Rey del Mundo are, according to Min Ron Nee, the best example.
    Old age (vintage cigar) ? Over 20 years of aging

    Zino Davidoff writes ?Naturally, what is possible in Cuba, with a humid climate made for tobacco, is not always possible in Europe or North America. By the time cigars have reached these places, they may have suffered from the trip. You cannot keep a cigar there for 25 years, even if it?s a good vintage given the best of care.?
    According to Luigi Ferri, at this stage, most cigars lose the best organoleptic characteristics. The typical life-span of a cigar has a course almost like a parabola with downward concavity, uphill to the top, until it reaches and maintains the maximum for a number of years and then decays, sometimes very quickly.
    Ferri writes ?If cigars are poorly preserved, the decay is faster and makes the cigar anonymous, flat, with little strength and an aroma of dusty earth.? Also, very importantly, ?no low quality cigar can become good with aging!? He adds that a lot of research is still required on the ?old age? stage.
    Min Ron Nee admits there is no knowledge relating to this stage, which corresponds approximately to his definition of third maturation. However, he states that cigars produced in the 1950?s seem to still require time before their bouquets would peak. ?Finesse, akin to that of greatly aged Bordeaux or Burgundy wine, is what begins to appear after 20 years. The chemical reactions behind this kind of aging might be similar to the mysterious ?wine in a bottle? maturing process.? The aromas are extremely complicated. Ethereal is the nearest word Min Ron Nee applies for these cigars. ?Smelling a 50 year old Don Candido against a 20 year old you would instantly realize that this great bouquet is about four times stronger and no words can describe how great these bouquets smell, because of the paucity of the primitive human vocabulary?.
    This stage is the one that created most debate among experts, most of them believing, as Luigi Ferri illustrated, that cigars at this stage have already shown their best qualities. Some even believe that the power of suggestion may lead vintage cigars to be over-prized simply for their antiquity.

    This article was first published by Franca Comparetto at Cigar Sense.
    This is probably the biggest load of crap I have ever read ... self important doofus .

    half truths + voodoo + a little bit of experience/truth = this guy

    or

    english is not his first language and it didn?t translate well .

    derrek
    tourists bring home souvenirs ... explorers bring home stories .

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    • #17
      Aging cigars changes them .

      if you like these changes ... then by all means age your cigars .

      if you don’t like the changes ... smoke em fresh .

      “wine in a bottle” ... sheesh

      derrek
      tourists bring home souvenirs ... explorers bring home stories .

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      • #18
        You Make Me Sick!

        Originally posted by dvickery View Post
        Aging cigars changes them .

        if you like these changes ... then by all means age your cigars .

        if you don’t like the changes ... smoke em fresh .

        “wine in a bottle” ... sheesh

        derrek
        EDIT: I see chico Peesinhisjays posted a similar quote. Too lazy to delete mine, however, so read at your own risk!

        —————————————————


        Haha! Sheesh is right, chico!

        The primariy reason I avoid young puros and age ‘em for a minimum of one year is because of the so-called “sick period.” The period when there is a distinct smell and taste of ammonia, or cat piss, as senor @cj121 once told me. Anyway, I snagged the following for the interwebs:


        During the sick period the amount of ammoniac smell is at its highest. This is because when cigars are being rolled, the leaves are moistened. That causes an accelerated rate of fermentation which releases ammonia. The large presence of ammonia in a newly rolled cigar causes a very unpleasant smell and taste. Over 90% of the ammoniac smells will be gone in the first few months and 95% to 99% will be gone within the first year. Cigars should not be consumed during the stick period.

        During the first maturation, the cigar starts to produce pleasant aromas and flavors. This is due to the continuous fermenting of the cigar. Within the first maturation one of the biggest changes you will notice is the disappearance of the initial bitter, harsh taste. The reason for this is that as time allows more fermentation, the nicotine breaks down and that outcome is a weaker, smoother taste.

        The maturation is discussed in great detail on Min Ron Nee’s book on Havana Cigars. Look it up sometime.



        Names Jay, Ray Jay, and I HATE the “sick period!”
        Last edited by TJCoro; 17-10-2018, 11:23 AM.
        sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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        • #19
          I find it difficult enough keeping cigars I bought for a month or two let alone decades. So long as they're not sick then that's fine with me. I'd hate to keep some for decades only to find they were the same / worse or I got run over by a bus and never got to smoke them at all.
          Carpe diem and all that crap.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Kickback View Post
            I find it difficult enough keeping cigars I bought for a month or two let alone decades. So long as they're not sick then that's fine with me. I'd hate to keep some for decades only to find they were the same / worse or I got run over by a bus and never got to smoke them at all.
            Carpe diem and all that crap.
            When you have a thousand sticks or more like some of the guys here its easier to age stuff.

            Plus you should probably give something you are aging a try every few years to make sure they arent going over the top anyway.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by 7kingsguy View Post
              When you have a thousand sticks or more like some of the guys here its easier to age stuff.

              Plus you should probably give something you are aging a try every few years to make sure they arent going over the top anyway.

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              Exactly. A lot of guys say to try one from a box every six months or a year until they get to their best for you, then what? Do you smoke the whole box? Surely they continue to change and will leave the sweet spot behind.
              'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dvickery View Post
                This is probably the biggest load of crap I have ever read ... self important doofus .

                half truths + voodoo + a little bit of experience/truth = this guy

                or

                english is not his first language and it didn?t translate well .

                derrek
                I'm glad I didn't write it with that response!
                'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by PeeJay View Post
                  Exactly. A lot of guys say to try one from a box every six months or a year until they get to their best for you, then what? Do you smoke the whole box? Surely they continue to change and will leave the sweet spot behind.
                  Have to say i agree. This guy seems to me a bit like a homeopathic 'doctor'. Uses a little bit of knowledge about the subject to add to a lot of unsubstantiated theories and downright made up rubbish. He also seems like he thinks he is superior to other mere mortals who dont age their vaults for 25 years. Get over yourself mate! How can he possibly have smoked every stick to the point where he can tell you this particular stick should age for 18 years and this one for 15. There's so much variability in cubans that two sticks from the same box code might age completely differently.

                  Having said that his book does look very pretty and i wouldnt mind having a copy just to leaf through the photos. As for the content i would take it with a salt shaker full of salt.


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by PeeJay View Post
                    Exactly. A lot of guys say to try one from a box every six months or a year until they get to their best for you, then what? Do you smoke the whole box? Surely they continue to change and will leave the sweet spot behind.
                    You'd never know they would get better, if you've smoked them all - and you cant miss what you've never had! But generally if you aren't getting on with a stick its worth giving it some time as you haven't got anything to loose.


                    Anyhow... the point seems to be that there is huge elasticity of preference on ageing, and for some long term ageing offers surprisingly different flavours... !
                    "Dear heart, you're talking to a man- a real man- who drinks straight Tequilla, with lime and salt on the rim, and smokes cigars" (J Zavala)

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 7kingsguy View Post
                      When you have a thousand sticks or more like some of the guys here its easier to age stuff.

                      Plus you should probably give something you are aging a try every few years to make sure they arent going over the top anyway.

                      Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
                      swore blind I wouldn't get into buying boxes... but it does make sampling over a period of years a distinct possibility... but then some of my singles sit in the humis for a couple of years at a time.

                      The more you have the fewer that you proportionately smoke I guess...
                      "Dear heart, you're talking to a man- a real man- who drinks straight Tequilla, with lime and salt on the rim, and smokes cigars" (J Zavala)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by PeeJay View Post
                        Exactly. A lot of guys say to try one from a box every six months or a year until they get to their best for you, then what? Do you smoke the whole box? Surely they continue to change and will leave the sweet spot behind.
                        Sometimes yeah, when a box hits it stride and you just know it's on, I just want to sit there and chain smoke the bastards.

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                        • #27
                          Number 9....Number 9....Number 9...

                          Originally posted by Kickback View Post
                          I find it difficult enough keeping cigars I bought for a month or two let alone decades. So long as they're not sick then that's fine with me. I'd hate to keep some for decades only to find they were the same / worse or I got run over by a bus and never got to smoke them at all.
                          Carpe diem and all that crap.
                          I hear that, amigo, and was in the same boat until I got to the point of purchasing boxes instead of singles. Then I just followed the don’s Rule No. 9 for aging puros - “take two from each box, mark them with the date, and tuck them away for another day.”

                          After following this rule for many years, I now have several hundred well-aged puros just waiting to be enjoyed.





                          Ray Jay
                          sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by TJCoro View Post
                            I hear that, amigo, and was in the same boat until I got to the point of purchasing boxes instead of singles. Then I just followed the don’s Rule No. 9 for aging puros - “take two from each box, mark them with the date, and tuck them away for another day.”

                            That sounds like a really good rule to follow for ageing - Thanks
                            After following this rule for many years, I now have several hundred well-aged puros just waiting to be enjoyed.





                            Ray Jay
                            That sounds like a really great rule to go by for ageing cigars - Thanks for the tip

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                            • #29
                              Puro Procedures

                              Originally posted by Vitola View Post
                              That sounds like a really great rule to go by for ageing cigars - Thanks for the tip
                              No problem, muchacho. Ol? don TJ had many puro procedures or ?rules? which he used to post up back in the early days of the forum. I come across ?em all the time as I examine his field notes, but a quick search of the UKCF archives might result in some nuggets. Maybe not.


                              Names Jay, Ray Jay, and I cut my puro teeth at the feet of don TJ and his mentor, don Juan.
                              sigpicVaya con Dios, Amigos! - don TJ and the Coros

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                              • #30
                                Related to the spend thread too. Not sure what happened to get me started on boxes... I think im buying aged stock where i stumble across anything and just collecting some boxes - albeit in my limited space! Of course the net outcome is a surplus to my smoking pattern. But I have a bunch of sticks I acquired from 2004 to smoke through!

                                Just noticed I joined the forum in 2012 but didnt post until 2017. Wonder why...?

                                Now I apologise as I dont seem to shut up.
                                .--
                                I think I may finally have this CAD under control...

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