Romeo query

[PeeJay]

In my humidor I have both RyJ Mille Fleurs and Tubo #2s, they are identical in size and can't be told apart, are they the same cigar?

[RobustoClubHavana]

In my humidor I have both RyJ Mille Fleurs and Tubo #2s, they are identical in size and can't be told apart, are they the same cigar?

PeeJay

From looking at MRN
It's says that they are both machine made both have the same vitola numbers are the same length and ring gauge so my assumption would be that they are identical unless they use different tobacco the only difference I can find is that MRN says that the no 2 has a strength of 3/5 and the MF is 2/5 both need min 3 years ageing


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[PeeJay]

Cheers Martyn, that's what I thought but I have been carefully keeping them apart till now.

[Edamski]

Did not know they where machine made!

[PeeJay]

Did not know they where machine made!

Cuba mate

[sheppsea]

Romeo query

Are they more recent that 2002? I think they have been handmade since them (but may well be wrong)

I imagine they are different blends as they would otherwise have given them the same name (like the Boli RCs etc), especially if it is considered they are different strengths, but I have never tried a Mille Fleurs so can't speak from experience

[RobustoClubHavana]

Are they more recent that 2002? I think they have been handmade since them (but may well be wrong)

I imagine they are different blends as they would otherwise have given them the same name (like the Boli RCs etc), especially if it is considered they are different strengths, but I have never tried a Mille Fleurs so can't speak from experience

Sheppsea

Think you may be correct about the Mille Fleurs they may be handmade now I have a box in the cave at pub will check later if I go up

[RobustoClubHavana]

Are they more recent that 2002? I think they have been handmade since them (but may well be wrong)

I imagine they are different blends as they would otherwise have given them the same name (like the Boli RCs etc), especially if it is considered they are different strengths, but I have never tried a Mille Fleurs so can't speak from experience

The montecristo tubes cigars like the petit tubos are just No 4s and also the tubos are just the number 1s put into tubes

[PeeJay]

Yes they are from the last few years for sure

[tippexx]

The montecristo tubes cigars like the petit tubos are just No 4s and also the tubos are just the number 1s put into tubes

I hope not Martyn, Monte No 1 are Cervantes, Monte Tubos are Coronas Grandes (and a terrific cigar). I think in-line with all the other tubed Habanos, if Monte Petit Tubos were really Monte 4 they would be called Montecristo No 4 A/T, in fact it would be a marketing advantage to do so, but they don't, and because IMO the PT tastes the better I think it is a separate blend.

All the RyJ PC are handmade.

[RobustoClubHavana]

I hope not Martyn, Monte No 1 are Cervantes, Monte Tubos are Coronas Grandes (and a terrific cigar). I think in-line with all the other tubed Habanos, if Monte Petit Tubos were really Monte 4 they would be called Montecristo No 4 A/T, in fact it would be a marketing advantage to do so, but they don't, and because IMO the PT tastes the better I think it is a separate blend.

All the RyJ PC are handmade.

As per MRN




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[ValeTudoGuy]

The RyJ Mille Fleurs and Tubo #2s are both Hand made these days from what I have read, I'm pretty confident that they are totally different sticks... They don't taste alike to me at all.

[ValeTudoGuy]

As per MRN

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Perhaps so for Petit and No.4..... But the No.1 is almost half an inch longer than the Tubos.

[sheppsea]

I'm not convinced the Petit Tubos is a No. 4 in disguise or the tubos is a No. 1 - I know it says it in the book but why would they give it a different name? As Tippex says, it isn't in line with what Habanos normally do and the No. 1 and particularly the No. 4 are very well known brands in their own right

[tippexx]

But the No.1 is almost half an inch longer than the Tubos.

Exactly .... although if we're daft to fall for everything RMN says, Habanos obviously hack 10mm from Monte 1s and then hammer them into tubes .... and as for the Monte Petit Tubos, you only have to taste one to know .... which is a bit strange as I believe our erstwhile Oriental guru claims to smoke 3 cigars of every vitola from each successive year to maintain his recommended ageing times.