Some bewildering Cuban jar maths

[Deano]

Wether it is Mitch, Simon or any other U.K. retailer, they are all part of the UK Ali Baba (read H&F) network of greedy bastards that take the cigar smoker for a ride....& C.Gars is one of the worst...a sampler on offer the other day for ?99.99 ...the equivalent could have been bought elsewhere for under ?50..it's not just UK tax.. these retailers take us for mugs...
My advice would be don't buy at UK retail..set up a network of travelers/holiday makers/friends & do your buying overseas...

I'm with you most of the way on this one, Scotty. However, folk like Mitch need to provide for salaries for his 5 pretty girls on the Forum banner and, of course, the lifestyle to which he intends to become accustomed ! Add to that their location and the on-costs of that - subsidised season tickets, luncheon vouchers (do I sound dated ?) and the like. That all comes from profit - it's part of the commercial equation ! If you extend that philosophy to a firm like J J Fox or Davidoff, imagine the overheads of operating in St. James's or Mayfair ! I never begrudge a fair profit but I suppose the real question is - how far beyond 'fair' do these guys operate ?

Guys, this is not acceptable on this forum. I don't care if it's H&F, Cgars, or your local Tesco's, it's unwarranted and out of order. Plenty of your assumptions are wrong too. I won't warn you again on this - play nice please.


Anyway H&F is a company which is required to make a profit, so is Cgars. It's Cuba's fault they only want to deal with one supplier per country at that we're , not anyone else's - look to Habanos for blame.

Additionally I see major deals on cgars and/or other sites that are sometimes brilliantly priced and sometimes not. "It pays to shop around" is a cliche for a reason.

[senor_robusto]

And btw, Mitch ensured that being advertiser on this site meant we could talk about anyone in the UK. Prices differ across suppliers, I wouldn't read much else in to it, except that tax 'supplements' we have to pay ensure it's expensive where ever you shop here!

hear hear! btw, you think you guys got it bad over on the mainland? the prices here in belfast are scandalous, and we don't have a great selection either! ?18 for a partagas d4!!! ?23 for a CoRo!!!

alex

[tippexx]

I don't care if it's H&F, Cgars, or your local Tesco's, it's unwarranted and out of order. Plenty of your assumptions are wrong too. I won't warn you again on this - play nice please.

Anyway H&F is a company which is required to make a profit, so is Cgars.

"It pays to shop around".

I don't think the guys are playing too unfairly Deano, a bit roughly maybe but they are mostly illustrating their points with math. Nobody is suggesting that our vendors shouldn't make a decent profit or enjoy a good lifestyle because to some extent it is in our interest that they do, so to still be around to supply what what we require .... as long as they remember we're the ones who pay (taxes included) .... and not to take the piss!

Anyway, this thread wasn't meant to be about knocking any particular vendor, it's about ceramic jars. CGars and Mysmokingshop were only mentioned because they sell Partagas SP1 both as singles and by jar.

I wanted to find out (roughly) how much a ceramic jar cost, my 'bewilderment' was the disparity, which I've illustrated with the math drawn from the respective websites, between the Partagas jar which appears to be worth minus ?5.70 and the Short Churchill Jar which appears to be worth plus ?62.00. Now, all this is probably useless information, except maybe to Donkeydrop who fancies buying a jar on eBay, all I wanted to know was how come the disparity.

Simon knows about this thread, I notified him yesterday. Mitch I know from past PM exchanges can more than look after himself .... and H&F, well they're H&F and just like Tesco ought to be big enough (and smart enough) to take a little consumer criticism.

[Deano]

Some degree of criticism is fine, determining and describing price differences is fine - as is the complaints, the personal digs are not. This is what I'm referring to.

[monkey66]

NB -
Ajay has just sent out a special offer for P1 jars @?390 (full I presume ).

[tippexx]

NB -
Ajay has just sent out a special offer for P1 jars @?390 (full I presume ).

One would hope so. Best UK price I've seen to date (by miles). Kinda beggars another question, one which I wasn't intending to ask. I think the Jar is stunning .... how can Ajay afford to be selling his on special for ?80.00 less than Mitch, what's wrong with the cigars?

(And I seriously, seriously would not expect Mitch to want to match that price).

[donkeydrop]

I have changed my mind I don't want a jar anymore!

[tippexx]

I have changed my mind I don't want a jar anymore!

No helping anybody these days!

But doesn't anybody see what I'm asking. Lets try another way. A Habanos ceramic ashtray is desirable and costs loads (anywhere, here, Germany, Spain genuine ones are expensive). The jars, to my eyes anyway are more desirable, to me they look expensive so I wanted to try and estimate the proper cost of one .... somewhere between minus ?5.70 and plus ?62.00 seemed a little short of a real answer to me.

[donkeydrop]

im only joking I couldn't resist, I totally agree with you, (and puff and david)

[Puff Scotty]

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[Puff Scotty]

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[tippexx]

I'm not picking on anyone in particular, just expressing my own opinion based on the facts on this thread...

I've often wondered if H&F don't in some way control/suggest the price which our retailers sell at on the basis that fierce retailer competition and discounting might in someway distress the perceived premium value of Cuban cigars and undo centuries of benign propaganda.

Still another thought for another thread maybe.

[Puff Scotty]

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[tippexx]

...it does make you wonder sometimes how a box of rolled up leaves can cost more than a iPad?

Talking of which. There's a new 'chewable' version for babies (seriously) .... it costs 85 quid!

[Puff Scotty]

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