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Could it be that brands such as Quintero get such a bad rap because people are less willing to give them the time to reach their peak?
Quintero, a bad rap? It's one the best selling marcas, Quinteros sell more than Bolivar, Punch or Ramon Allones!
In 2009 Quintero came in 7th position in the ranking of sales by brand, when Upmann came 8th…
Is AOP (appellation of origin) the same as DOP (denominacion de origen protegida)? If so I have a box of Guantanamera (to my shame) which has the Habanos sticker on them so I hope you can see why some of the answers I've had are confusing or innacurate.
I think that you’re right to be confused. On the H&F website it says that only hand made cigars can be referred to as Habanos. But then this is what the Habanos SA website has to say about Guantanameras:
"Guantanamera as a Habano was introduced to the international market in 2002. The cigars are made with tobacco from Vuelta Arriba, the second most important tobacco-growing region in Cuba. All sizes are "mecanizado" - machine made at a modern factory recently created in Havana."
So Guantanameras are machine made but Habanos SA refers to them as Habanos ?!
And this is what the Habanos SA website has to say about appellation of origin:
"Habanos D.O.P. (Protected Appellation of Origin): Legal term used to qualify the cigars bigger than 3 grams, elaborated in Cuba according to the quality standards of the Cuban tobacco Industry and using varieties of Cuban black tobacco grown in specific regions of Cuban territory, which are also protected as Appellations of Origin."
So its unclear whether D.O.P applies to the tobacco in Guantanameras or to the cigars themselves, or both. It’s also unclear whether Guantanameras are properly referred to as Habanos or just as Cuban cigars. All very confusing if you ask me!
Is AOP (appellation of origin) the same as DOP (denominacion de origen protegida)? If so I have a box of Guantanamera (to my shame) which has the Habanos sticker on them so I hope you can see why some of the answers I've had are confusing or innacurate.
Yes AOP=DOP. But you raise a good point!
Cuban Cigar Website: Guantanamera is a Current ICT machine-made brand.
It was a post-revolution brand, established in 2002, and was deleted from Habanos portfolio circa 2005.
It is now produced in Cuba by Internacional Cubana de Tabacos, S.A. (ICT) under license to Habanos S.A.
"Under license": does it make it a habanos? I'm not sure but I must admit that saying "not a AOC habanos" like I did is unwise… I was probably wrong…
Is AOP (appellation of origin) the same as DOP (denominacion de origen protegida)? If so I have a box of Guantanamera (to my shame) which has the Habanos sticker on them so I hope you can see why some of the answers I've had are confusing or innacurate.
Why do you ask questions if you think you already have all the answers?
Start by reading this booklet to learn a bit before assuming it's "outdated"? But do you really want to learn anything?
There is no Quintero factory, and tourists are not allowed to visit most of the provincial factories; you don't believe me? ask Nino "Flyingcigar" or Ajay or Mitch?
Frankly trying to help people is sometimes depressing on this forum ? and on others as well?
As I said Frank..I'm not sure & was hoping for definitive answers from guys who know & as Ajay, Mitch & Nino are members or have contributed to this forum I thought it would be a good place to ask!
I did read the booklet when it was published so didn't actually want to buy another to see if it had been updated, has it ?
As for the "Quintero Factory" that you keep mentioning, I am also aware some Quintero marques are made in the El Rey de Mundo Factory, is this a factory you're allowed to visit?
I ask these questions because I want to know, if my ignorance depresses you, don't answer, I understand this is a net resource, which is fallible, so I will try to establish facts before I'm happy with the answer.
Does anybody know if there is a blend that is followed for the short filler cigars or do they just chuck in what they have?
Short filler cigars are blended just like long filler cigars.
The Rafael Gonzales Panatela Extra is short filler, and its taste is similar to that of the Rafael Gonzales Corona Extra which is a long filler cigar. The Por Larra?aga panatela (short filler) tastes undoubteley like a Por Larra?aga cigar.
Does anybody know if there is a blend that is followed for the short filler cigars or do they just chuck in what they have? I know Jose L. Piedra are from a different region but if the others use left over tobacco from more premium lines then you'd be doing quite well to get that standard of tobacco for that kind of price. The thing is, people aren't as likely to use up valuable humi space to age such a cheap smoke. Could it be that brands such as Quintero get such a bad rap because people are less willing to give them the time to reach their peak? If a more reputable cigar doesn't perform people are far more likely to cut it some slack on the basis that it hasn't had long enough to age.
I think Cohiba are just expected to perform because of the premium price, when really they need the same time as any other cigar.
The item in your link is pretty out of date & I'm not sure if it's been updated or re-printed since it's publication quite some time ago.
Why do you ask questions if you think you already have all the answers?
Start by reading this booklet to learn a bit before assuming it's "outdated"… But do you really want to learn anything?
There is no Quintero factory, and tourists are not allowed to visit most of the provincial factories; you don't believe me? ask Nino "Flyingcigar" or Ajay or Mitch…
Frankly trying to help people is sometimes depressing on this forum – and on others as well…
No need to shout Frank....
The item in your link is pretty out of date & I'm not sure if it's been updated or re-printed since it's publication quite some time ago.
I'm also aware that the factories have changed considerably in how they are organised for production purposes & that several factories may produce a particular marque or part of several marques depending on quantity & size of the cigar.
The short filler in Quinteros used to be cut by machine it is only a stage progression to think they might also be rolled by machine, your over-reactive defence of that thought makes me wonder just how much you do know...you don't think Habanos SA may have a "dirty little secret" in one of the factories you've not been too...or have you been to them all..
hand finished means that the wrapper is applied by hand only, without the use of any tool. (the short filler cigars are rolled with the help of a mat, called "flip flap" in Honduras, Dom. Rep, Nicaragua, but has a different name in Cuba)
I'm not sure still, Quintero's for instance are short filler they are finished by hand but have the Habanos DOC approvals for being totally hand rolled..I think this part of the 'hand rolling' may be mechanised - has anyone been to the factory to say either way?
Thanks Crusse,
Now you've sparked another question..what exactly does "hand finished' mean ?
hand finished means that the wrapper is applied by hand only, without the use of any tool. (the short filler cigars are rolled with the help of a mat, called "flip flap" in Honduras, Dom. Rep, Nicaragua, but has a different name in Cuba)
Nowadays, habanos are ALL hand made. The cuban machine made lines (Guantanamera, Belinda, Troya) are just … cubans… they are not entitled to the "habanos" AOC (appellation of origin).
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