Questiontime!

[Puff Scotty]

Can someone help out..is Short Filler just another way of saying machine made

[crusse]

A short filler cigar is made of offcuts and scraps of leaf, while a long filler is made of whole leaf. Short fillers can be hand finished or completely machine made. Jose L. Piedras, for example, are short filler but hand finished whereas Cuban minis are short filler and entirely machine made.

[Puff Scotty]

Thanks Crusse,
Now you've sparked another question..what exactly does "hand finished' mean ?
No mucky answers from you lot either!

[Smallclub]

Nowadays, habanos are ALL hand made. The cuban machine made lines (Guantanamera, Belinda, Troya) are just … cubans… they are not entitled to the "habanos" AOC (appellation of origin).

[Smallclub]

Thanks Crusse,
Now you've sparked another question..what exactly does "hand finished' mean ?

hand finished means that the wrapper is applied by hand only, without the use of any tool. (the short filler cigars are rolled with the help of a mat, called "flip flap" in Honduras, Dom. Rep, Nicaragua, but has a different name in Cuba)

[Puff Scotty]

hand finished means that the wrapper is applied by hand only, without the use of any tool. (the short filler cigars are rolled with the help of a mat, called "flip flap" in Honduras, Dom. Rep, Nicaragua, but has a different name in Cuba)

I'm not sure still, Quintero's for instance are short filler they are finished by hand but have the Habanos DOC approvals for being totally hand rolled..I think this part of the 'hand rolling' may be mechanised - has anyone been to the factory to say either way?

[Smallclub]

I.I think this part of the 'hand rolling' may be mechanised - has anyone been to the factory to say either way?

HABANOS ARE NO LONGER MECHANISED. NONE. ZERO. AUCUN. KEINER. The only "machine" used is is a cloth mat for short filler.

Quinteros are hand made. And no, you can't visit the factory, there is NO Quinteros factory. They're rolled everywhere in provincial factories.

You might find this interesting:http://www.cgarsltd.co.uk/cultivatin...as-p-2919.html

[Puff Scotty]

HABANOS ARE NO LONGER MECHANISED. NONE. ZERO. AUCUN. KEINER. The only "machine" used is is a cloth mat for short filler.

Quinteros are hand made. And no, you can't visit the factory, there is NO Quinteros factory. They're rolled everywhere in provincial factories.

You might find this interesting:http://www.cgarsltd.co.uk/cultivatin...as-p-2919.html

No need to shout Frank....
The item in your link is pretty out of date & I'm not sure if it's been updated or re-printed since it's publication quite some time ago.
I'm also aware that the factories have changed considerably in how they are organised for production purposes & that several factories may produce a particular marque or part of several marques depending on quantity & size of the cigar.
The short filler in Quinteros used to be cut by machine it is only a stage progression to think they might also be rolled by machine, your over-reactive defence of that thought makes me wonder just how much you do know...you don't think Habanos SA may have a "dirty little secret" in one of the factories you've not been too...or have you been to them all..

[TJCoro]

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[Smallclub]

The item in your link is pretty out of date & I'm not sure if it's been updated or re-printed since it's publication quite some time ago.

Why do you ask questions if you think you already have all the answers?
Start by reading this booklet to learn a bit before assuming it's "outdated"… But do you really want to learn anything?

There is no Quintero factory, and tourists are not allowed to visit most of the provincial factories; you don't believe me? ask Nino "Flyingcigar" or Ajay or Mitch…
Frankly trying to help people is sometimes depressing on this forum – and on others as well…

[w1lldabeast]

Does anybody know if there is a blend that is followed for the short filler cigars or do they just chuck in what they have? I know Jose L. Piedra are from a different region but if the others use left over tobacco from more premium lines then you'd be doing quite well to get that standard of tobacco for that kind of price. The thing is, people aren't as likely to use up valuable humi space to age such a cheap smoke. Could it be that brands such as Quintero get such a bad rap because people are less willing to give them the time to reach their peak? If a more reputable cigar doesn't perform people are far more likely to cut it some slack on the basis that it hasn't had long enough to age.
I think Cohiba are just expected to perform because of the premium price, when really they need the same time as any other cigar.

[Smallclub]

Does anybody know if there is a blend that is followed for the short filler cigars or do they just chuck in what they have?

Short filler cigars are blended just like long filler cigars.
The Rafael Gonzales Panatela Extra is short filler, and its taste is similar to that of the Rafael Gonzales Corona Extra which is a long filler cigar. The Por Larra?aga panatela (short filler) tastes undoubteley like a Por Larra?aga cigar.

[Puff Scotty]

Why do you ask questions if you think you already have all the answers?
Start by reading this booklet to learn a bit before assuming it's "outdated"? But do you really want to learn anything?

There is no Quintero factory, and tourists are not allowed to visit most of the provincial factories; you don't believe me? ask Nino "Flyingcigar" or Ajay or Mitch?
Frankly trying to help people is sometimes depressing on this forum ? and on others as well?

As I said Frank..I'm not sure & was hoping for definitive answers from guys who know & as Ajay, Mitch & Nino are members or have contributed to this forum I thought it would be a good place to ask!
I did read the booklet when it was published so didn't actually want to buy another to see if it had been updated, has it ?
As for the "Quintero Factory" that you keep mentioning, I am also aware some Quintero marques are made in the El Rey de Mundo Factory, is this a factory you're allowed to visit?
I ask these questions because I want to know, if my ignorance depresses you, don't answer, I understand this is a net resource, which is fallible, so I will try to establish facts before I'm happy with the answer.

[Puff Scotty]

Is AOP (appellation of origin) the same as DOP (denominacion de origen protegida)? If so I have a box of Guantanamera (to my shame) which has the Habanos sticker on them so I hope you can see why some of the answers I've had are confusing or innacurate.

[Smallclub]

Is AOP (appellation of origin) the same as DOP (denominacion de origen protegida)? If so I have a box of Guantanamera (to my shame) which has the Habanos sticker on them so I hope you can see why some of the answers I've had are confusing or innacurate.

Yes AOP=DOP. But you raise a good point!
Cuban Cigar Website:
Guantanamera is a Current ICT machine-made brand.
It was a post-revolution brand, established in 2002, and was deleted from Habanos portfolio circa 2005.
It is now produced in Cuba by Internacional Cubana de Tabacos, S.A. (ICT) under license to Habanos S.A.

"Under license": does it make it a habanos? I'm not sure but I must admit that saying "not a AOC habanos" like I did is unwise… I was probably wrong…