How to spot counterfeits

[TJCoro]

A Big, Beautiful Perfecto!

[quote=Ryan;14793]There was a RyJ Petit Piramide EL released in 2005 but those look too long, they look like regular piramide length.
Anything over 5", I'd say fake.[/quote]


They're a bit bigger than the RyJ EL 05 by several inches ( I think Mr. Ryan is on to something!)... over 7 inches and in the perfecto format. Extremely beautiful and oily, as you can see.

Senor Ryan sez fake!

How about the rest of you Habana aficionados - real or fake?

[Ramon]

How about the rest of you Habana aficionados - real or fake?

Sorry, fakes.

Some useful info on the new seals here http://www.habanos.com/article.aspx?aid=330

[whisky77]

Unfortunately.

The labels are all wrong TJ,when compared to the original and genuine cigar.Rodriguez should not be on the band at all, it should be the 1875 date.

50RG and 5 inches.

Sorry TJ.

[Ramon]

The labels are all wrong TJ,when compared to the original and genuine cigar.Rodriguez should not be on the band at all, it should be the 1845 date.

Strangely the 2005 RyJ PP had the new style band, then they went back to the old style for later EL's.

[whisky77]

Not sure.

Not sure why this happened Ramon.I personally think Habanos like to offer different variations for release to gauge feedback.IMO it often confuses the consumer, especially those who are not anoraks like ourselves (no offence intended).

A number of Vitolas have been released as EL and then been re-released a few years later.No idea what the thinking is behind this at all.

Those ELs that TJ has are definately not right though.

[goldencigars]

What do you think, muchachos?

Fakes.

Sometimes it is really difficult to know,if a cigars is fake,I'm not talking about a cristal top boxes,or the years of LE's that they don't exsist..etc..

Also the cedar boxes,seals stamps,rings,cigar size,etc...can be real,but the cigars are fake.
For me a cigar is the only one thing that you can be sure,that it is fake or legit.
The smell,the taste,combuction,ash structure,ash color,triple cap.

I have had some bad experience too,and I improved my skills.

[TJCoro]

Different Bands, Same Year ?

The labels are all wrong TJ,when compared to the original and genuine cigar.Rodriguez should not be on the band at all, it should be the 1875 date.

50RG and 5 inches.

Sorry TJ.

You make a very good point there Wisk, a very good point, indeed. The band on the EL in my pic is not the same as the one in your pic.

Still, I've seen both bands on R&Js currently produced, e.g., the Belicosos and the Short Churchill. So what gives...what does this mean????

Perhaps they are both authentic? Could this possibly be?

How about the fact that both are from the same year??? Does this mean anything to anybody?

Names TJ, TJCoro, and senors Wisky and Ramon are on the case

[cohibaIV]

Hmmmmm Something dodgy with the EL lable when I look at it, but still not sure??

[TJCoro]

What's your basis, senor?

Fakes.

Sometimes it is really difficult to know,if a cigars is fake,I'm not talking about a cristal top boxes,or the years of LE's that they don't exsist..etc..

Also the cedar boxes,seals stamps,rings,cigar size,etc...can be real,but the cigars are fake.
For me a cigar is the only one thing that you can be sure,that it is fake or legit.
The smell,the taste,combuction,ash structure,ash color,triple cap.

I have had some bad experience too,and I improved my skills.

All very good points and solid information, especially for those just entering the wild and wonderful world of fine Habana puros.

But what was it, exactly, that lead you to the conclude that my big, fat and glorious perfectos are fakes?

Names TJ, TJCoro, and senor GoldenCigars speaks wisely.

[goldencigars]

All very good points and solid information, especially for those just entering the wild and wonderful world of fine Habana puros.

But what was it, exactly, that lead you to the conclude that my big, fat and glorious perfectos are fakes?

Names TJ, TJCoro, and senor GoldenCigars speaks wisely.

for the wrong size ,or perhaps you put tha rings?to confuse me?
the Romeo petit piramides LE 2005 has different size

[TJCoro]

You are correct, sir!

for the wrong size ,or perhaps you put tha rings?to confuse me?
the Romeo petit piramides LE 2005 has different size

Spot On, senor Goldencigars...you are the golden boy and know your fine Habana puros.

It is the wrong size. And each mfg'er approved to an Els during a particular year is authorized to make only on vitola - not two.

These big boys were passed out as gifts during a national broadcasters conference, which is how I received them. I knew they were counterfeits when I received them but did not say anything. Why spoil the fun. Besides, I'm told they smoke and taste pretty darn good. I just added 'em to my ever expending collection of fakes.

Well done, mates! No one was fooled by these imposters!

[yankeefan]

how to spot fakes

it is unbelieviable what people will do to peddle off habanos been smoking about 8 yrs now and i,am more then certain my first few purchases were fakes.i.am a bit more seasoned now after some research but i hope to learn even more from you guys here

[TJCoro]

With a little help from our UKCF friends!

it is unbelieviable what people will do to peddle off habanos been smoking about 8 yrs now and i,am more then certain my first few purchases were fakes.i.am a bit more seasoned now after some research but i hope to learn even more from you guys here

Well said, senor Yankeefan, and welcome to the circus!

As you may have noticed, we have a vast array of knowledge and experience here. But no matter the how long someone's been smoking fine stogies and Hananas or their level of "expertise," I think you will find that we all learn from one another from time to time in a fun and, dare I say it, thoughtful way.

Names TJ, TJCoro, and I always learn something new for the many fine folk at the UKCF!


For example, I learned how to juggle my balls here!

[yankeefan]

how to spot counterfeits

thanks tj good to know you learned how to juggle your balls here as well. i knew this place was informative!

[larrysputnik]

Spot On, senor Goldencigars...you are the golden boy and know your fine Habana puros.

It is the wrong size. And each mfg'er approved to an Els during a particular year is authorized to make only on vitola - not two.

These big boys were passed out as gifts during a national broadcasters conference, which is how I received them. I knew they were counterfeits when I received them but did not say anything. Why spoil the fun. Besides, I'm told they smoke and taste pretty darn good. I just added 'em to my ever expending collection of fakes.

Well done, mates! No one was fooled by these imposters!

It's hard not saying anything when you are given fakes, isn't it? I have suffered through almost an entire box of fakes because I don't know how to tell my buddy that his father-in-law gave him fake CCs. Ugh. You're lucky you didn't have to smoke these things, I'm sure.