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  • Simon Bolivar's 2nd Caribbean Cruise 2017!

    Last trip offshore was really crazy so didn't get time to post about the wonderful cruise we took from Bridgetown Barbados, visiting Port of Spain Trinidad: Port de Pitirie Gudaloupex2, Fort de France Martinique, La Romana DR, St Kittsx3, Castries St Lucia, St Georges Granada, St John's Antigua, & Kingstown St Vincent, on the MSC Fantasia. https://www.msccruises.co.uk/en-gb/D...-Fantasia.aspx

    For those not interested in cruising or Ship details, the notes & phot's of cigars skip to the next post.

    Our previous & first cruise had been on the MSC Armonia, departing & returning twice to Habana, so no guesses which tour suited me best! Second problem for me was the size of this vessel, having spent most of my working life at sea, I have never fancied sailing on anything bigger than HMS Illustrious.

    Lusty was 22,000Tons, 210meters in length & carried a crew of 685, + Aircrew 366 (when embarked) & could take 200+ Royal Marines during exercises so a max of 1,200POB.

    Titanic: was 46,328Tons, 269meters in length & carried Pax 2,435 + 892 Crew = 3,327POB (with a lifeboat capacity 1,178, just enough for the women, children & millionares).

    Armonia: is 65,500Tons, 251meters in length & carries Pax 2,679 + 721 Crew -=3,400POB.

    Fantasia: is 138,000tons, 330Meters in length & carries Pax 4,363 & crew 1,370 + 5,733POB!


    So the Fantasia weighing in at 5 times the bulk of the Lusty, with nearly 5 times the POB gave me some concerns. We hadn't been able to port in Mexico on the Fantasia because of high winds (not seas) but the Fantasia was even higher, with 18decks to the formers 13. My wife had been bed ridden for the last two days of our trip after the failed Mexican docking & that rather put the shine of the end of our first cruise. The larger ships can't enter the small ports with shallower water so have to decant pax into tenders which can take up to 2hrs each way. We experienced this several times on the Armonia & wasn't the Armonia crowded enough? On the plus side we had spoken to several pax on the Armonia, who were rather disappointed, having sailed on other MSC ships including the Fantasia so as we were happy enough with the accomm & service on the Armonia, we wondered how much better it could be on the Fantasia?

    Fantasia Positives: 80% of cabins have balconies & we had a free upgrade to a balcony room & free drinks package. This is a considerable saving & was the reason we took the trip in the end. The ship was far newer & was reflected in better design, especially the main atrium, which had magnificent crystal stair cases, which must have cost a bomb but which they surely recouped in the takings of the photographers posing pax on them. It gave a central meeting place & with a pianist & singer there in the evenings, it was a good start or finish to the evening.

    There was a swimming pool with Wimbledon style closing roof if the weather turned wet & even a large library - which sad to say was one of the treasures we failed to discover.
    From a smokers point of view, the good news is there is still a cigar lounge & unlike the Armonia, this one had a bar within it, which was open in the evenings. The only place on the open decks you could smoke was at the upper aft bar. On the Armonia, they allowed smoking on the Stbd side of the pool deck, where most of the entertainment was carried out, on the Fantasia the smokers were very much isolated on their own, which is more hassle when your partner doesn't smoke & or even sit where she can smell it.

    We never decanted by tender but were always alongside a jetty, this was a big plus in my mind & must have been down to their choice of ports.

    The pax numbers were down as this was low season (tail end of the hurricane e season) so there were plenty of empty seats in the dinning rooms. One business decision MSC made that helps them out at this time of year was giving discounts to the local populations of the islands we visited. As they already didn't have to pay air flights (some didn't even pay for taxis, friends dropped them off), MSC relied on them creating some ambiance (no one wants to be on a half empty ship) & of course once onboard they spent plenty so a good deal for all. On our cabin deck we were the only Europeans waving from our balcony as we left Trinidad. Of course one must beware not to assume too much. One brash Brit asked a West Indian couple what they would recommend seeing in the next port? 'I wouldn't know man, we're from Bradford!


    Negatives: Due to the Sept hurricanes (3days after we made our booking) we were re-routed as 3 island stops had been decimated & Barbuda had been totally evacuated & they are still living on Antigua.
    This couldn't be helped but we felt the re-arrangements could have been better. Visiting anywhere x3 is pushing it, somewhere as small as St Kitts? We would certainly expected to go back to Barbados a day early so we could explore more there, as after all it was the largest island we visited.
    Smoking: The Cigar Lounge had very poor extraction & was constantly crowded with white stick smokers, basically it was a constant fog. I had a cigar in there on my birthday & didn't bother going back. As you weren't supposed to smoke on your balcony, they only other place was the upper after bar. This worked out reasonably well during our stay as the weather was dry & the breezes not too strong but very little cover there so you could have days of your trip where this isn't a good option to sit down for an large cigar that might take an hour or two.

    OK, so would I recommend MSC for a cruise? Yes & the crew were really good & fine entertainment. The Armonia? Yes, if you wanted a quieted more laid back, more smoker friendly cruise but beware it is the oldest ship in their fleet. Check out the website the descriptions are pretty accurate. The Fantasia? Yes but if you go at peak season, I can imagine the queues for everything will be longer & dinner service slower. The Habana based tour is excellent but there is a smaller German cruiser called the Berliner, that takes in various ports around Cuba. I would love to do that but the wife is worried it will move too much for her in any rough seas. I know we have a few cruising types so hope some of you found that interesting, the cigars will follow on the next post.
    Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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    First cigar! It was my birthday, the day after we arrived & I started with a 1960's Jamaican la Flor de Lancha on the Stern Bar, with coffee & we wee whiskey before dinner. This is an interesting cigar, one of the few NC's I smoked last year but very pleasant & with more taste than many modern Jamaican cigars IMHO. After dinner, I left my Dearest to go to the Cigar Lounge & enjoy a Behike 52 2013, with a couple of dble Whiskies. I met a group of brother & sisters, down from New York, celebrating new jobs & he was trying he first cigar, a genuine Cohbia Robusto. A pleasant evening was had be all.
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    • #3
      We cigar smokers are no longer welcome on cruise ships it would appear Simon. On the Norwegian Breakaway they have a smoking lounge next to a bar but like you said, you have to leave your better half to go to smoke. Fortunately we had friends with us with whom she stayed sun bathing whilst I indulged. On the Breakaway you could also smoke cigars in the casino at night but not on your balcony or any open decks.

      In June I am going on another Norwegian ship from Venice and it doesn't even have a cigar lounge so things aren't looking good.
      'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PeeJay View Post
        We cigar smokers are no longer welcome on cruise ships it would appear Simon. On the Norwegian Breakaway they have a smoking lounge next to a bar but like you said, you have to leave your better half to go to smoke. Fortunately we had friends with us with whom she stayed sun bathing whilst I indulged. On the Breakaway you could also smoke cigars in the casino at night but not on your balcony or any open decks.

        In June I am going on another Norwegian ship from Venice and it doesn't even have a cigar lounge so things aren't looking good.
        Hi PJ, thanks for reminding me, yes,, they did allow smoking in the Casino on the Fantasia (but not the Armonia) but Cigars & Pipes banned!
        I managed to come to an arrangement wife in that I had to sit with her in the sun for an hour then I could go smoke for an hour or so & then we'd meet up for lunch ect. The smoking rules were enthusiastically enforced as well. Shame, if they upgrade the smoke busters & extraction in the cigar lounge it would have been x10 better, worked fine on the Armonia. Ashore I had to hunt for places to smoke as well but the wife doesn't want to sit for an hour whilst we should be site seeing ect, ect.
        Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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        • #5
          This is kind of why, in some regards, I'm glad MLW likes beaches. She can sunbathe. I can jolly well smoke on a lounger with a cool beer! This can go on for hours!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by ha_banos View Post
            This is kind of why, in some regards, I'm glad MLW likes beaches. She can sunbathe. I can jolly well smoke on a lounger with a cool beer! This can go on for hours!
            I can imagine beaches banning smoking eventually...
            Only the impossible is worth the effort.

            JEANETTE WINTERSON,

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            • #7
              Originally posted by thedame007 View Post
              I can imagine beaches banning smoking eventually...
              Suddenly the Dominican Republic is so more appealing
              'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Simon Bolivar View Post
                Hi PJ, thanks for reminding me, yes,, they did allow smoking in the Casino on the Fantasia (but not the Armonia) but Cigars & Pipes banned!
                I managed to come to an arrangement wife in that I had to sit with her in the sun for an hour then I could go smoke for an hour or so & then we'd meet up for lunch ect. The smoking rules were enthusiastically enforced as well. Shame, if they upgrade the smoke busters & extraction in the cigar lounge it would have been x10 better, worked fine on the Armonia. Ashore I had to hunt for places to smoke as well but the wife doesn't want to sit for an hour whilst we should be site seeing ect, ect.
                Cigars and Pipes banned? The two forms of tobacco most non smokers actually say "this smells really nice" to? :S

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                • #9
                  Also, why would smoking not be allowed on balconies? Other balconies complaining of the smoke drifts over?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Niela View Post
                    Cigars and Pipes banned? The two forms of tobacco most non smokers actually say "this smells really nice" to? :S
                    I think it's a really cynical business decision to allow smoking in there. After all their staff are exposed to it (the main reason given for smoking bans in the first place) & the company knows a significant proportion of their profits come from the casino. They also know the heavier users will have an addictive nature & therefore a higher percentage of smokers than the average pax. There are also a tiny proportion of pax that would smoke a cigar or a pipe & 9/10 times it would be the fag smokers who complained about them so easy to ban them. But this obviously isn't a company wide policy as all smoking was banned in the casino on the Armonia. Anyone cruised on any of the other MSC ships?
                    Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for the information. The cruise you mentioned around the ports of Cuba sounds like something worth checking out.
                      Marc

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by handlebarpipe View Post
                        Thanks for the information. The cruise you mentioned around the ports of Cuba sounds like something worth checking out.
                        Marc
                        Found this for you Marc. http://www.fti-cruises.com/en/our_cr...terranean.html Prices seem reasonable & only 400 pax.
                        Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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                        • #13
                          I looked it up last night, the MV Berlin has no cabins with balconies which are a must for Caribbean cruising IMHO
                          'Cigars are a hobby, cigarettes an addiction'

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                          • #14
                            Second Pics: Martinique & a seclude bay, we stopped to transfer in to glass bottom boats to watch the turtles feeding. Only enough seats for half of us so we went last & whilst the wife explored the village a little, I lit up a rather wonderful Hoyo Epi No2 from my 50 cab Sep '05; which I enjoyed in the splendid surroundings, once I had found the only bar open at that time in the morning & procured some suitable libation. A 50 cab is some investment to be sure but if they all smoke as well as the couple I have had so far, it will be an investment I'll be reaping the rewards from for many years to come.

                            Next a quick ERDM DT 2001 at the LCHD St Kittsa, after buying a modest package, the prices were the same as Belgium & apart form the Behike range, there was nothing to tempt me: 52 - $750, 54 $850 & 56 $1,000!

                            Onboard at the Stern bar whilst the Missus sun bathed, I snuck a H.Upmann ER2009 Mag 48 in, on the wrong side of the deck! Seemed fine to me & at least she could see me but was up wind. However later the officious stewardesses rebuked anyone not smoking on the Stbd half of this small deck. These wee sticks are real gems & I only have one left but I can't bring myself to pay the going rate for a box these days, perfect with just a coffee & possibly my fav Upmann, possibly the maduro wrapper giving it that little extra kick that I find lacking in most of this marca.
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                            • #15
                              So [MENTION=13371498]Simon[/MENTION] sounds like you are getting something from Cubano Maduros after all!
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                              I think I may finally have this CAD under control...

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