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  • #16
    Whilst they will have Cuban tobacco in them, it will very likely be substandard and as a worst case scenario, scraps inside. I would not think you will sell them here, unless someone wants to try a fake as a comparison, or perhaps dissect one experimentally. You wouldn't get much for them. I wouldn't hazard a guess on price.
    "Go you good things...geddem int'ya"

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    • #17
      Some fakes are smokable so go ahead & keep trying them. If they aren't then you won't be so disappointed as if'd you'd had genuine Esplen's before then you would know the difference & be gutted! Anyway, it's a lesson for your next trip, official outlets only.
      Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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      • #18
        I would love someone to smoke one who knows how they should be to clarify for me, it tasted reasonably yesterday and smoked all the way without breaking up. The cigars to me look as they should using websites, it's just the box is definitely out of whack like you have mentioned, the stickers are not perfect, and the bar code on the government stamp i checked on the Habanos verificiation tool, it says they are for an entirely different brand of cigars, Romeo y julieta churchills.

        But like I say the cigars themselves appear to be genuine, it was a friend in the research group I was working in for a month that got them for me, so yes not an official shop but he spoke as if the box was taken from the factory and that the cigars were genuine. Would explain why the box is so makeshift.

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        • #19
          Nope, that would explain why they are very likely fake Tom

          Why not unwrap, unravel and take one apart and see what the construction is like. It will be interesting and also informative for you and the forum.
          "Go you good things...geddem int'ya"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Tomathy View Post
            But like I say the cigars themselves appear to be genuine, it was a friend in the research group I was working in for a month that got them for me, so yes not an official shop but he spoke as if the box was taken from the factory and that the cigars were genuine. Would explain why the box is so makeshift.
            I already called this in an earlier post. These are fake mate. It's the oldest story in the book, we have dozens of people coming on here with cigars in Cuba from a mate of a mate - we've seen it all a hundred times over many years.

            Enjoy them if they're nice, but they're not real unfortunately.

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            • #21
              Definitely fake, like Deano says it's an old story that's been told over and over. Listen to Deano, he knows what he's talking about. Enjoy smoking them, if they smoke ok then you got what your buddy paid for.

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              • #22
                PS: I can't believe how polite we have become since our former Mexicant member disappeared.
                Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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                • #23
                  He'll be back!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Deano View Post
                    I already called this in an earlier post. These are fake mate. It's the oldest story in the book, we have dozens of people coming on here with cigars in Cuba from a mate of a mate - we've seen it all a hundred times over many years.


                    Enjoy them if they're nice, but they're not real unfortunately.
                    Oi, I did it first!
                    "Go you good things...geddem int'ya"

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                    • #25
                      The cigars look good. In the pictures, not a whole lot about them gives them away as definite fakes. Until your last picture.
                      There should be a date code but that can wear off, rarely but it might.
                      However the "ECA" factory code is the issue.
                      ECA was the code used for the H Upmann cigar factory until 2002 and hasn't been used in at least 12 years. Few things about packaging discrepancies in cuban cigars are so "hard and fast" but that's one of them.
                      Your cigars are cigars but they are not Habanos cigars, they're counterfeit.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by cj121 View Post
                        Oi, I did it first!
                        Nah I was talking about the "mate of a mate" thing

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                        • #27
                          Well, all's well that ends well, managed to sell every single cigar (sold 15 inc the box in one go), made a big profit and learnt some things about cigars. All in all not so bad

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tomathy View Post
                            Well, all's well that ends well, managed to sell every single cigar (sold 15 inc the box in one go), made a big profit and learnt some things about cigars. All in all not so bad
                            Did you advise the buyers that they were fake?
                            "Go you good things...geddem int'ya"

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by cj121 View Post
                              Did you advise the buyers that they were fake?
                              Will we ever find out..........
                              It's not the arrow, it's the Indian !

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by RDBM View Post
                                Will we ever find out..........
                                I doubt it RD.
                                "Go you good things...geddem int'ya"

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