European Union: Tobacco Products Directive 2001/37/EC

[patrickspark]

Why don't we just follow the French & only apply those EU laws that suit us?

now thats the most sensible idea i've seen - hear hear.

[bambini]

Think we might be going a bit OTT here. Has anyone read the public consultation?

The proposed restricitons apply to online cross border tobacco sales - i.e. buying smokes from abroad. This means that buying a box of cigars online from Switzerland would be banned, but C.Gars would still be able to sell cigars to UK customers. But this is just one option (and the most extreme of the three proposed), and they have other options that are less conservative. Also, it's hard to see how enforceable this is.

Secondly, there is no mention whatsoever of banning online cigar websites/forums. This would be an attack on net neutrality and would be nigh on impossible to push through ANY western governing body, even the EU.

So I guess what I'm saying is while I fear that we may have our liberties attacked once again, let's try to keep some perspective

[Tabak Pietsch]

No more EU, oh what a glorious idea. Will we finally have a German Empire? Wait, no, that is what we already have by another name. Thank god we have such a strong Army, Navy and Air Force. Wait, no, we don't! CRAP!

This isn't going to end well.

Well, that has nothing to do with German Empire ideology. Actually the first European leader who acted strongly against smoking was the German with the moustache. Basically, the whole idea, which is now presented to us as a democratic health program, existed already in the 1930s. No Nazi was meant to smoke, because it had decreased his strength – so the leaders of the Nazi party. The same applied to women as shown here: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_iKcZ3qcCmy...ermanSmoke.JPG Hitler once said that smoking was the "Indians revenge for giving them alcohol."
Due to the war and the contact with English/American troops after WWII the Smoking in Germany changed back to the times before the Nazis.
So, the last one, who would like to re-establish a German Empire is German smokers.
For those who are interested in German history and how they dealed with the problem of smoking. Have a look at this interesting book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nazi-War-Can...0530465&sr=8-1
I once found it at the library of the university and it was worth the read.

The favourite pipe tobacco in my family is Prince Albert and many liked Lucky Strikes very much. That says everything. (I’m personally always looking for Prince Albert tobacco!)

I also don't see the problem of that coming law for Germany in the first place, but primarily for UK as the regulations are there always a bit stricter than they are here. And I would be really sad to loose my buyers from UK as I enjoy the contact to you honestly.

Think we might be going a bit OTT here. Has anyone read the public consultation?

The proposed restricitons apply to online cross border tobacco sales - i.e. buying smokes from abroad. This means that buying a box of cigars online from Switzerland would be banned, but C.Gars would still be able to sell cigars to UK customers. But this is just one option (and the most extreme of the three proposed), and they have other options that are less conservative. Also, it's hard to see how enforceable this is.

Secondly, there is no mention whatsoever of banning online cigar websites/forums. This would be an attack on net neutrality and would be nigh on impossible to push through ANY western governing body, even the EU.

All effects of this law are pure result of interpretation. What I pointed out in the first post is the information provided by some German tobacco associations. They don't know much more than what is shown online, but at least there is a realistic chance that tobacco will become pretty much banned.

The banned online sales are a result of the banned presentation. You were not allowed to offer anything. Selling only on request in plain packaging. Presenting cigars in a local store or online was not possible.

According to that I don't see any chance for online services. The whole forum is about tips on cigars.

I hope that you're right with your point of view, but we here in Germany are strongly afraid that it won't be possible to sell anything.
So, lets hope that you're right, by gooddness!

[JOAO LA PEZ]

Civil disobedience looks on the cards.

[Habana-Habanos]

This is seriously ridiculous. Who the f*ck are these people making these STUPID laws!? Every one should be lined up and shot in the head.

[Tabak Pietsch]

This is seriously ridiculous. Who the f*ck are these people making these STUPID laws!? Every one should be lined up and shot in the head.

For now I would be satisfied to be legally allowed to buy and sell tobacconia to adults in future.
But I'm wondering who those people are, too. In Germany we have a word for such ideas, which I would translate as "culture of commotion". We don't have real problems, so we started to find some.

[PoohBore]

I thought one of the foundations of the European union was free trade across member states? I suppose as a last resort we'll all have to take 7 day holidays to Havana several times a year

[cigarboozer]

The EU plans increasing the level of anti-political legislation.
# No more presentation of political products: That means no more visible political products in shops.
# Plain packaging, no presentation of politics. No Newspapers.
# No advice allowed.
# No more online shopping!!!
# Finally no more political websites and platforms (for advice giving [and selling, sic]).

[Styler]

I can't believe this, I would seriously hope that even anti-amokers would complain about these laws. This is not about smoking, but about civil liberties. It's a slippery slope.

*Puts on V for Vendetta and flips open a copy of 1984*

[Tabak Pietsch]

Besides the fact that it would cost some money and living as a smoker would be quite difficult, I don't like that falseness, which has become part of modern life-style in the last years.
Smoking is OK as long as nobody sees it? Should we teach our children that doing so called "wrong" things (abusing drugs etc.) is OK as long as there is nobody watching you?
When I was young, for parents it was recommend to drink alcohol only then, when their children were away. Later, people realized that those children were the first teenager shot, because they really had no idea how to deal with alcohol.
My parents were used to drink a glass of good wine in the evening and I had never ever had any problems with alcohol, when I was a teen.

So, from both a politcal and a economical point of view to my mind this doesn't make any sense.

[Puff Scotty]

For now I would be satisfied to be legally allowed to buy and sell tobacconia to adults in future.
But I'm wondering who those people are, too. In Germany we have a word for such ideas, which I would translate as "culture of commotion". We don't have real problems, so we started to find some.

That comment is seriously correct. In the U.K. we are mostly apathetic until it's (whatever the issue is) is all legislated for... ie. all over & done with...because we are ill informed.
Whilst factions in the government bleat about Global Warming & invest our tax millions in it's promulgation they blinker us to our Civil Liberties being eroded on a daily basis... the money grubbing bastards!
It's almost impossible to stamp out Terrorism now it's integrated into our society.. Enoch Powell... Rivers of Blood... shall I go on?
AND they are still smoking in Westminster,, shi* hea*s

[JOAO LA PEZ]

Terrorism is easy to deal with, you just have to use the same tactics as they do, unfortunately most people and governments do not have the stomach for such unpleasant warfare, given free reign the SAS, SBS, NAVY SEALS and LEGION ESTRANGER would soon sort it out.

[peanutpete]

Terrorism is easy to deal with, you just have to use the same tactics as they do, unfortunately most people and governments do not have the stomach for such unpleasant warfare, given free reign the SAS, SBS, NAVY SEALS and LEGION ESTRANGER would soon sort it out.

err so your saying we go blow up a train or plane,or bomb a building, were do you suggest?

[JOAO LA PEZ]

NO, using the same tactics mean not advertising what you are doing, you go after the perpetrators, we know who they are and where they are, its just having the stomach to deal with them in the way they wish to deal with us.

[Puff Scotty]

Terrorism is easy to deal with, you just have to use the same tactics as they do, unfortunately most people and governments do not have the stomach for such unpleasant warfare, given free reign the SAS, SBS, NAVY SEALS and LEGION ESTRANGER would soon sort it out.

Whooah boy! don't have to bring our American cousins or for that matter the French into our politics, BTW there is an E on the end of Estranger - you wouldn't want to piss one of those boys off...

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