Maduro

[Emaresee]

So, at the risk of opening a can of something and shaking them all over the place..... What do you reckon to maduro sticks?

The perception is that a maduro wrapper can make it taste 'stronger' ... Where other reports suggest enhanced, caramel and sweetness... Or more spicy and peppery. I accept is subjective and everyone profiles flavours differently...

i know the answer is pick one and smoke it! But I'd welcome the odd recommendation too! cohiba 5 magicos are front of mind at the moment....

cheers folks

mrc

[ValeTudoGuy]

I went through a stage of really liking Maduro's. I tended to enjoy getting Chocolate and a Sweetness from them.

[Matt Wall]

For me I find that sweetness is the main aspect that Maduro wrappers bring to the table; however if you watch Timothy Torres' video (an old torcedor from South America somewhere) on YouTube about cigar rolling you'll find that he says that the wrapper gives the cigar minimal flavour, probably less than 5% overall. He compares a wrapper to the dress of a woman, just to make the cigar look pretty. I've had natural cigars that are sweeter than some Maduro and some naturals that are spicier than some Maduro's, so I think the filler/binder has more to do with the overall taste than the wrapper; however that's just my opinion


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[Matt Wall]

Yep, agree with Marc there ^


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[sheppsea]

Maduro

For me I find that sweetness is the main aspect that Maduro wrappers bring to the table; however if you watch Timothy Torres' video (an old torcedor from South America somewhere) on YouTube about cigar rolling you'll find that he says that the wrapper gives the cigar minimal flavour, probably less than 5% overall. He compares a wrapper to the dress of a woman, just to make the cigar look pretty. I've had natural cigars that are sweeter than some Maduro and some naturals that are spicier than some Maduro's, so I think the filler/binder has more to do with the overall taste than the wrapper; however that's just my opinion


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There are others that say the wrapper gives the most flavour so I would take that with a pinch of salt, the likelihood is that it probably somewhere in between and varies by cigar. There is a flavour with maduros that you don't get from any other cigars so I suspect the wrapper makes up a lot more than 5% of the taste for them

In my limited experience of maduros I have found them sweet cigars, in terms of recommendations I can't really say but I enjoy the Cohiba Secretos

[nplymouth]

Interesting - the first maduro I have really enjoyed, to the degree it makes a difference are the cohiba maduro, but then I love Cohiba... Other brands did little for me!


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[cigarmo]

For me I find that sweetness is the main aspect that Maduro wrappers bring to the table; however if you watch Timothy Torres' video (an old torcedor from South America somewhere) on YouTube about cigar rolling you'll find that he says that the wrapper gives the cigar minimal flavour, probably less than 5% overall. He compares a wrapper to the dress of a woman, just to make the cigar look pretty. I've had natural cigars that are sweeter than some Maduro and some naturals that are spicier than some Maduro's, so I think the filler/binder has more to do with the overall taste than the wrapper; however that's just my opinion


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The wrapper only gives 5% of flavour Pull the wrapper off a cigar you like and see if thats true

[Matt Wall]

That's what Timothy Torres reckons not me, I would say it's more 15%, either way I'm not going to pull it off purely because a cigar doesn't smoke as well with it off and then it's not a fair comparison anyway


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[Matt Wall]

Maduro

I agree that of course the Maduro wrapper will make a difference from a natural wrapper however it is only 1 leaf compared to the 4 or 5 leaves they use in the roller binder; on that basis the wrapper can only be 25% flavour max. I really can't see how 1 leaf would completely change the flavour profile more than a 50% difference. Yes the volado and ligero aren't as flavourful as a wrapper leaf but one wrapper leaf surely can't make that much difference?


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[cigarmo]

I don't think flavour can be measured by the quantity of a particular ingredient.

[Emaresee]

Keep it coming boys.... Knew this would bring out some views. Much appreciated!

[sheppsea]

As Mo says if you take the wrapper off it completely changes the cigar, but to try to quantify it is probably the wrong approach.

[RobBooth]

I smoked my first ever cigars last year when in New Orleans and all were bought from the New Orleans Cigar Factory where they roll their own cigars. The first was a Conneticut Shade wrapper, the second a Cameroon wrapper and the third a Maduro. All three were Robusto sized vitolas and, from what I read on their leaflet, they were all using the same blend and binder, the only difference was the wrapper and for me, the wrapper made a big difference with the Maduro my favourite with their blend. It was this cigar that gave me truly distinguishable flavours, coffee and cocoa.
This experience coloured my buying habits for the first couple of months where about 70% of my purchases were maduros.

[Matt Wall]

Maduro

I think the idea of taking the wrapper off is good in practice but unfair when it comes to comparing the two cigars. After rolling my own I found that the wrapper also does a lot of work holding the pack together, the draw was better (and so the flavours were) once the wrapper was on. I think it'd be hard to compare a cigar without a wrapper leaf on.

It'd be interesting to see which part of the plant the wrapper leaves come from; if its seco then I'd say that it would certainly affect the flavour more than 5% but if it's volado then I'd say it would be nearer the 5% mark. But of course only the growers know which part of the plant the wrapper comes from...


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[cigarmo]

I think the idea of taking the wrapper off is good in practice but unfair when it comes to comparing the two cigars. After rolling my own I found that the wrapper also does a lot of work holding the pack together, the draw was better (and so the flavours were) once the wrapper was on. I think it'd be hard to compare a cigar without a wrapper leaf on.

It'd be interesting to see which part of the plant the wrapper leaves come from; if its seco then I'd say that it would certainly affect the flavour more than 5% but if it's volado then I'd say it would be nearer the 5% mark. But of course only the growers know which part of the plant the wrapper comes from...


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if the wrapper was holding your cigar together, you rolled it wrong