Ageing of Tubed Cigars

[butternutsquashpie]

Picking up on butternut's comment about Habanos tubing cigars for a reason, it would be interesting to know why they do tube certain cigars. Is it just for physical protection, to eliminate the need for a humidor, or to influence the flavour?

my best guess is honestly: a marketing scheme.
i've a mate who never buys them because of a few conversations with a factory director. he basically says they tube cigars that don't come out with a consistent colour and so doesn't match with the box when mass produced. that would make sense as maybe a starting idea. but it seems like it has developped into something larger.

also think here:
monte 4 =~ monte petit tubos
monte 1 =~ monte tubos
monte edmundo = monte edmundo tubos
monte pet edm = monte pet edm tubos
why are the 4s and 1s given different names whilst the other two aren't?
Bolivar no.2 =~ bolivar petit corona
etc etc etc.

[butternutsquashpie]

For quick, easy sales probably......I think they're designed with the retailer in mind and not the consumer

ah stevie m'boy. ya bested me by 2 minutes. if i didn't type so much bullshit, i would've made YOU look like the fool.

but seriously. yupp, retailer. RYJ no2 tubos exists as an incredibly cheap and consistent cigar. i love em but i honestly hate their tubes that fly out of my shelves when i have no where to put them. and the issue with these is around half their screw caps are defective.
but that aside, RYJ 2 was MANY people's first box of cigars. and for that reason, i don't see why they would discontinue something that does so well!

[Stevieboy]

my best guess is honestly: a marketing scheme.
i've a mate who never buys them because of a few conversations with a factory director. he basically says they tube cigars that don't come out with a consistent colour and so doesn't match with the box when mass produced. that would make sense as maybe a starting idea. but it seems like it has developped into something larger.

also think here:
monte 4 =~ monte petit tubos
monte 1 =~ monte tubos
monte edmundo = monte edmundo tubos
monte pet edm = monte pet edm tubos
why are the 4s and 1s given different names whilst the other two aren't?
Bolivar no.2 =~ bolivar petit corona
etc etc etc.

That story of mismatched colours makes perfect sense though don't you think? Good business sense anyways....


On a side note J, I noticed lately when reading MRN that the Monte 1 and the Monte Tubo are different sizes! For years I've always assumed they're the same but one is slightly longer than the other (can't remember which)



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[tippexx]

[QUOTE=Stevieboy;216027] That story of mismatched colours makes perfect sense though don't you think? Good business sense anyways ....

No. I thought they were all mismatches and from batches not necessarily from the same factories .... which were then colour graded and boxed. And, if they were to lay all these so called mismatches to one side with the intention of putting them into tubes at some later date, it might take days before they had enough for one pack of Siglo II AT .... not the best use of resources, and I would imagine totally impractical and unworkable from a schedules perspective.


[QUOTE=Stevieboy; On a side note J, I noticed lately when reading MRN that the Monte 1 and the Monte Tubo are different sizes! For years I've always assumed they're the same but one is slightly longer than the other (can't remember which) [/QUOTE]


Correct. Monte Tubos is a Coronas Grandes. Monte 1 is the longer Cervantes. But in-line with Butternut theory, perhaps Monte Tubos are just ugly Monte 1s cut down?


Tubes have been around for yonks, Louis Fonseca is credited with introducing them back in the 1800s. Initially they were made from tin and were plain. The purpose was to protect and to aid the maturing process.

[butternutsquashpie]

On a side note J, I noticed lately when reading MRN that the Monte 1 and the Monte Tubo are different sizes! For years I've always assumed they're the same but one is slightly longer than the other (can't remember which)

aye. indeed. just checked and my monte 1s don't fit in my monte tubes.....
that's actually pretty strange but ah well.

Tubes have been around for yonks, Louis Fonseca is credited with introducing them back in the 1800s. Initially they were made from tin and were plain. The purpose was to protect and to aid the maturing process.

interesting history lesson tippy. never a dull moment with you on a forum

[Sean]

I take mine out when i have tubos for some OCD reason i dont like having metal in my humidor

But hey thats just me

[Stevieboy]

Correct. Monte Tubos is a Coronas Grandes. Monte 1 is the longer Cervantes. But in-line with Butternut theory, perhaps Monte Tubos are just ugly Monte 1s cut down?

I know it's correct...!!
I'm the one who posted the fact

I still think Jeremy's mate who spoke to a factory manager sounds plausible though... Uglier, toothy cigars get put to one side. Can't see why his mate would be wrong....

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[tippexx]

I still think Jeremy's mate who spoke to a factory manager sounds plausible though... Uglier, toothy cigars get put to one side. Can't see why his mate would be wrong....

Because even if it was remotely true .... it would have been sussed half a century ago .... and nobody would buy them.

I was talking to a factory manager in Stuttgart, and he told me all the Mercedes made after 3 o-clock on a Friday afternoon are put to one side and painted yellow.

[butternutsquashpie]

I know it's correct...!!
I'm the one who posted the fact

I still think Jeremy's mate who spoke to a factory manager sounds plausible though... Uglier, toothy cigars get put to one side. Can't see why his mate would be wrong.

Of course, uglier doesn't mean worse. It's a plant for Christ's sake! Not like you can whip it into submission to producing the same colour
And uglier doesn't mean bad tasting either. Just like a poop shaped Cuaba

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[PeeJay]

I was talking to a factory manager in Stuttgart, and he told me all the Mercedes made after 3 o-clock on a Friday afternoon are put to one side and painted yellow.

And sold to taxi drivers in Spain and Portugal

[Stevieboy]

I was talking to a factory manager in Stuttgart, and he told me all the Mercedes made after 3 o-clock on a Friday afternoon are put to one side and painted yellow.

Ha.. good one

Seriously though, I was taking what Jeremy's buddy was saying at face value. Do you think the factory manager was winding him up?

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[PeeJay]

Ha.. good one

Seriously though, I was taking what Jeremy's buddy was saying at face value. Do you think the factory manager was winding him up?

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Its such a nice anecdote that I want to believe it.

[tippexx]

Do you think the factory manager was winding him up?

No, he was most likely salving the blokes price preconceptions and took an easy way out because he couldn't be bothered explaining the reasoning and decision to tube some vitola or explain why the price difference .... or he just wanted to get to the cantina and his works Culabras.

[butternutsquashpie]

Ha.. good one

Seriously though, I was taking what Jeremy's buddy was saying at face value. Do you think the factory manager was winding him up?

We all dream of being more interesting.
But then again, who knows. I'll go home and untube some RYJ tubos and lay them accross.

Maybe they used to do that but no longer. Maybe it started out with fonesca's tin marketing sand then mismatched colours, then this.
After all, if it was always about marketing, why have unpopular marcas tuned? Like punch royal coronations or Bolivar Royal Coronas?
I doubt those even come in 3ers anymore

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[tippexx]

After all, if it was always about marketing, why have unpopular marcas tuned?

Because they are possibly not as unpopular as you think. But, it is about marketing in a way, because someone somewhere in Cuban cigar history decided that certain cigars would benefit by being tubed, and in the cases of some vitola they were confident enough to have both untubed and tubed versions.

Like punch royal coronations or Bolivar Royal Coronas?

I don't mind the Boli RC and it is a good example, even when young, of where a tube version IS MHO far superior.