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    Just expanding on anothe rhtread where rating systems was mentioned. Here's an explantion of the one I use, interested in hearing any comments & feel free to add your own systems.

    1/ Appearance: wrapper intact, looks attractive, foot, cap & include bands if you find them part of the deal.
    2/ Draw/Smoke/Ash: Draw is a very important aspect of your smoke & enjoyability of that particular stick. Some vitolas are more prone to plugs, Lonsdales being one, as well as slimmer sticks but that is often due to over humidity. Sometimes you get problems with larger gauge sticks that is probably just down to the roller, sometimes a large percentage of a box may be duff & very annoying to say the least. This should be rare as we go forward as more draw testing takes place in the factories. Smoke, somtimes it's thin & wispy & unstatisfying. In theo ther extreme it can be chugging out like a smoke gun. Ash, lots of debate whether the colour is of any significance or not but having it drop off too frequently is annoying & may be problems keeping it lit.
    3/ Flavour: This for me is the true centre of a cigars worth, great flavour with poorer other qualities will be forgiven & other sticks brought to check whether the poorer qualities were a one off problem or a brand/vitola problem. This also relates to the cigars age & how it it maturing so the first one out of the box & the last (perhaps smoked sereval yrs apart - yes that's possible when you have a decent collection) can be totally different; just like could happen with a case of wine.
    4/ Value: This is contraversal too. Should the value be considered or not? As man with modest means (just a humble oil worker you know), I think it is & so include it but then when looking at my list you have to take that into account when eg Cohibas come down further than they would if price wasn't taken into consideration.
    5/ Overall satisfaction: Again an important consideration but perhaps the most variable & often reflects the mood & occasion it was smoked in. Something that might not be reflected the next time you smoke the next stick from the same batch.

    Mark each out of ten & then dble to give marks out of 100.
    I can see it might sound OTT but give it a try on the next 20 cigars you smoke & see if you can see any relevence in it for you. I have over 200 recorded different vitolas & without a system any comparsion would be just down to memory. Always interested in ohters systems, always prepared to adjust my own.
    Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

  • #2
    Good setup mate that will help guide a newcomer like myself. When i jot my own notes they are never structured and tend to when i read them back make no sense

    Cheers
    Sean

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    • #3
      I am not a fan of the 100 point system as it take looks into comparison directly against other aspects which have a more profound effect of qualitative judgement.

      However the 100 point system does allow for finer scale of judgement than 20, 10 or 5 point systems.

      5 point systems IMO are only fit for quick reference and not of in-depth review.
      10 point systems are only marginally better and 20 point are getting closer to being useable but still don't offer the desired range.

      A few months ago I came up with a 25.5 system to be precise. Taste out of 15, Odour out of 5, Draw/Smoke out of 5 for maximum 25 points and Looks out of 5, but as looks don't necessarily affect overall enjoyment with cigars it shouldn't affect the overall score too directly if it looks bad so hence the. 5... E.g we decide a cigar gets 23.2 because it tastes and smells excellent and has an excellent draw but looks crappy yet it still deserves to score better than the very average tasting, smelling and feeling 11.5 that looks excellent. ????

      That's my thoughts on the matter anyhow. To be clear I originally came up with this rating system for beer and spirits but it translates well to cigars. It can be tailored to work with any consumer goods by choosing 4 points of judgement awarding the aspect of most qualitative importance (generally the thing it was designed to do) 15 points and generally separating out the less important and more subjective category of looks.
      Licky Licky before Sticky Sticky. - Puff Scotty 22/03/14

      Originally posted by PeeJay
      I get longing looks from guys walking past

      Originally posted by butternutsquashpie
      A purge follows a rapid puffing session.

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      • #4
        VTG, a very interesting system & can see the benefit of allowing more points for flav than other catogories, over my more ridge equal allowance of 10 & will have alook at incorparating this into my system.
        Personnally I would use the term Aroma to Odour, as surely this has far more pleasent connnerations? Odour reminds me only of the negative range of smells, like the sweaty socks & fetoid as quoted by one of our Canadian cousins recently I combine Aroma with Flav as IMO they do naturally. I can't recall any stick with a bad aroma with a good flav or visa versa.
        Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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        • #5
          Do you guys reckon that emotions can affect the scoring,i.e if you were to have say an edmundo on holiday sat on a terrace in the sun with a nice beverage as opposed to stood on a cold damp day inside the garage door,surely the first would taste nicer psychologically?
          Is this taken into account and noted as a footnote for example

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          • #6
            Good couple of points there Simon, The use of the term odour was for sure a far oversight and aroma is much more suitable for the subject matter at hand.

            On the other point I beg to disagree slightly, even during my short time smoking cigars I have experienced sticks with a pleasing "room note" that had a bland flavour. I find this can be even more evident with pipe tobacco.

            However the main points I was attempting to convey we're the overwhelming importance of flavour and IMO the requirement to separate looks from the equation but to still have a reference point to them as they for sure can have some importance e.g two cigars score 20 but one is .3 and one is .5 they are effectively as good as each other in the important categorys but the company that produced a better looking stick deserves to be set slightly above.

            Finally I don't believe price should be a factor in judgement of qualitative elements, a Good cigar is a good cigar, a bad cigar is a bad cigar, etc.
            Wether the outcome of the review represents value to the individual at the given price point of that cigar is a matter to be recorded in note form after the score and should not bias the score.
            Licky Licky before Sticky Sticky. - Puff Scotty 22/03/14

            Originally posted by PeeJay
            I get longing looks from guys walking past

            Originally posted by butternutsquashpie
            A purge follows a rapid puffing session.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by bubbajvegas View Post
              Do you guys reckon that emotions can affect the scoring,i.e if you were to have say an edmundo on holiday sat on a terrace in the sun with a nice beverage as opposed to stood on a cold damp day inside the garage door,surely the first would taste nicer psychologically?
              Is this taken into account and noted as a footnote for example
              For sure bubba, in an ideal world the cigars would be double blind tested but that would be just ridiculous and would in itself defeat the point of this enjoyment of ours.

              I think all you can do is try to be honest with yourself and if you think a certain outside factor is worth recording... Well record it.

              It may even help you to find sticks you prefer for different situations e.g summer sticks, winter sticks, special event sticks, relaxing sticks etc. Ad infinitum.
              Licky Licky before Sticky Sticky. - Puff Scotty 22/03/14

              Originally posted by PeeJay
              I get longing looks from guys walking past

              Originally posted by butternutsquashpie
              A purge follows a rapid puffing session.

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              • #8
                Awesome points guys and Im going to start a more rigid way of recording my smokes.

                For me, as a noob, palette evolution & experience comes into play, tho it wouldn't be part of my scoring system. Just something to consider when comparing old scores until more experience is gained.
                There are cigars I would have given high scores to 6 months ago but would be way down now.

                ?Any cigar smoker is a friend, because I know how he feels.? ? Alfred de Musset

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                • #9
                  I use an app on my phone and iPad called "cigar review pro". There are a lot of rubbish review programs out there but this one doesn't seem too bad. You can save a picture of the cigar to the review as well. I normally record things like appearance, nose before lighting, burn quality, ash colour, flavours in each third, age of the cigar etc, what I paired with it in terms of drink, the cigars construction, I'm sure therefore but I can't think of them at the mo. The app has sliders from 0-100 for several characteristics such as flavour and burn/draw. I just slide these along and let it generate a score at the end. I don't really pay too much attention to the score as I re-read the reviews if I want to see how a particular cigar was.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bubbajvegas View Post
                    Do you guys reckon that emotions can affect the scoring,i.e if you were to have say an edmundo on holiday sat on a terrace in the sun with a nice beverage as opposed to stood on a cold damp day inside the garage door,surely the first would taste nicer psychologically?
                    Is this taken into account and noted as a footnote for example
                    Yes, definitely mate. Also, whether you're in a good mood or not affects how cigars are. I personally would only ever smoke one when all is calm and peaceful. If I'm pissed off with work or life etc, the last thing I want is a cigar. It would be a total waste IMO

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stevieboy View Post
                      Yes, definitely mate. Also, whether you're in a good mood or not affects how cigars are. I personally would only ever smoke one when all is calm and peaceful. If I'm pissed off with work or life etc, the last thing I want is a cigar. It would be a total waste IMO

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                      +1 !

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                      • #12
                        Yep Stevie, that's the time for alcohol not for for Havanas finest
                        Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by UncleJoe View Post
                          I use an app on my phone and iPad called "cigar review pro".
                          I also use an app, 'Cigar Journal', which although okay does have some limitations and bugs - I wanted to start looking for another system to record them now: God knows how though! ��

                          In terms of scoring I used a 1-10 system at the moment, but I sometimes think that might not exactly be perfect - I very rarely give a score under 6/10, and if I'm completely honest I'm not sure what would qualify a particular score, for example, what is it that would score a cigar 6/10 as opposed to 7/10? At the moment I just go by how much I enjoyed a cigar, and as Bubba says there are a lot of factors outside of the cigar that can affect that.

                          I like Simon's method of scoring individual criteria it great and I certainly look for many of the points he mentions. In terms of scoring the value, I think that probably should be taken into account, I don't think its unreasonable to expect cigars in a higher price bracket to be of a higher quality than those in a lower, and if they're not they should loose points, and also, if you have two cigars of the same quality then the cheaper one probably should come out on top, why pay more if you're not getting anymore enjoyment out of it? ��

                          I started to feel the urge to develop myself a proper scoring system for my sticks ��, I am just that big a geek!
                          Last edited by sheppsea; 01-12-2014, 06:28 AM. Reason: Grammar Correction

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                          • #14
                            Shep, get what your saying about cigar values. I use Cohiba as a prime example but I was saying this before the deluge of RE's & LE's, which can easily come into the same bracket. IMHO I find Cohibas to be say 20% finer than standard Cuban lines but cost 30-40% more. Now there are occasions when I went to mark a special celibration, then an Esplen' or Sig VI is just what I want & therefore 'worth it' but when I compare them to others in my cave not taking account of the price doesn't feel right to me.

                            I totally understand the 'purist' argument that a cigar should be rated on it's own merits but I think these differences just show how personal the pleasure we get from our cigars is. And we jsut have to find hte best method for ourselves but for sure one needs some sort of system if any quantative comparrisions are to be made down the line.

                            I also note the changing taste of the beginner. This happened to also happened to me, the best advise there I think is not to get carried away a by boxes of 25 stix of a particular vitola, because you are blown away big a single new stick. Keep trying various singles & packs of 3's & 5's & you'll have a better idea of what you really might enjoy for a whole box. I brought a box of Edmundos (quite some investment) after an amazing first stick whilst on hols in Spain. Whether it was just the difference of the lack of holiday atmosphere or sunshine I don't know but after the next 4 were flat & lifeless to me, I sold the remainder to a member; who I can report was happy enough with them so it could have just been my perception that had changed.
                            Simon Bolivar: Liberator of Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru & Venezuela.

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                            • #15
                              I am finding it hard to see how price should have any bearing On the enjoyment of the qualitative aspects of a cigar or the recording there of.

                              Like I said it may affect value to the individual e.g I smoke a Cohiba and an Oliva the the Cohiba was ?20 the Oliva ?10 yet I enjoyed them the exact same so I should score them the exact same.

                              Oliva didn't produce a "better" cigar, they produced a cigar which proved to be of better value to me.

                              I totally agree that the act of rating something by its nature is very personal to the individual, however standard rating systems when well implemented can benefit a community of like minded enthusiasts.
                              Licky Licky before Sticky Sticky. - Puff Scotty 22/03/14

                              Originally posted by PeeJay
                              I get longing looks from guys walking past

                              Originally posted by butternutsquashpie
                              A purge follows a rapid puffing session.

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