Aging advice

[butternutsquashpie]

Don't tell that to RJ....he's been getting buzzed off don TJ's fine puros for some time.
Names Perro, el Perro, and would someone revoke chico's Google Account before he hurts himself?

lithium has no effects on normal humans. tell RG to check what's in his bong ER- ummmmm... sticks

And no google for me, Elpie. that kinda shit you just can't search!

I've just read all of the age thread and Butters has never disclosed his age, just made some vague comment about 18-22 not being as good as it seems

hmmmmmm... really now? that can't be

[TJCoro]

Jimmy Crack Corn and Who Cares!

lithium has no effects on normal humans. tell RG to check what's in his bong ER- ummmmm... sticks

Maybe...maybe not. All I know is I'm never depressed when enjoying a fine puro.*

Names Perro, el Perro and I came across that cool line while researching the subject on the google.

Haha! Well goodie for you, dawg face. All I know is I get depressed when you're smoking a fine puro.

[butternutsquashpie]

Names Perro, el Perro and I came across that cool line while researching the subject on the google.

Haha! Well goodie for you, dawg face. All I know is I get depressed when you're smoking a fine puro.

Lawd Lawd..... we need BagBoy back.

[cigarmo]

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/showthread.php?15673-Dimensions-of-a-cabinet-for-50-Petite-Coronas

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[TJCoro]

Direct Link!

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/showthr...Petite-Coronas

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You know, senor mo, you can link a post directly...

Post 24 Here!


el P

[PeeJay]

I suppose if he had a tiger mum he could have started Uni at 12

[butternutsquashpie]

http://www.ukcigarforums.com/showthr...Petite-Coronas

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happy 1.5K post Momar!!

no idea what you're trying to point out... but have a great useless milestone!

Now i'm just waiting for the Coros' 8000.......

[TJCoro]

Very Sneaky!

happy 1.5K post Momar!!

no idea what you're trying to point out... but have a great useless milestone!

Now i'm just waiting for the Coros' 8000.......

Yes,yes...congrats on you achievement!


HEY! WAIT A MINUTE! Trying to shift the topic away from you, I see. Well nice try, but I got you!


Perro, el Perro


Haha! I suggest you revoke your previous ruling HERE!

[butternutsquashpie]

Yes,yes...congrats on you achievement!
HEY! WAIT A Minute! Trying to shift the topic away from you, I see. Well nice try, but I got you!

peace Elpy... Peaaace!
Ol' PJ is already carrying on your legacy. not to mention Ray Gay.....

[TJCoro]

Peace Restored!

peace Elpy... Peaaace!
Ol' PJ is already carrying on your legacy. not to mention Ray Gay.....

Right! Prior ruling remains in force...regardless of what that Boob RJ says...please respect Chico Butterednutz small request.

El P

Haha! They keep on coming, but they never learn. Go in Peace Chico...go in Peace El P!

Hey RJ! El Perro said "small"

[ValeTudoGuy]

Jeremy is actually a 70 year old internet predator!

[sheppsea]

Going back to topic , considering how random this thread revival was its turned into a really interesting read - thanks Jeremy!

[tippexx]

Good call Sheppsea. I think it might be best for the Thread to recap on the first post. We've had this snippit for almost 5 years, so a bit late, but not a bad thing to be discussing Stevieboys post now.

Just received an intersting bit of info in an email from JJFox. What do you lot think about aging smokes?

About Aged Cigars

Initial aging after rolling is essential to allow the cigar to dry and stabilise. This greatly improves the flavour, as well as greatly improving the burn and draw. Stabilisation typically takes only 4 to 8 weeks depending on the ambient climate, however allowing your cigars to age even longer will allow the flavours of the blend meld and mellow into a more harmonious smoke. A cigar's complexities and nuances will be greatly enhanced with long term aging in a proper environment.
The younger the cigar the more drastic the impact time has upon it; 3 months can mean a world of difference to a freshly rolled cigar, wheras 3 months are negligible when dealing with 5 year old sticks.
* 2-5 Years - These are the peak years for most cigars. Typically the stronger, full-bodied cigars age better over a longer duration. This is why Bolivar Fuertes, Ashton VSGs, and many Havanas are all considered cigars that age beutifully. The same logic applies to cigars of substantial strength regardless of their country of origin.
* 7-10 Years - This is about the maximum aging time on almost all cigars. After this point most cigars become too mellow and too pale for popular enjoyment.
The best way to determine the impact time on cigars is to smoke one occasionally from an aging box and to take detailed tasting notes.


To my mind what JJ Fox are saying makes sense. Ally this with RMNs recommended minimum ageing times (usually 3 to 5 years depending on vitola) and the average window for 'best smoking' is 3 to 7 years after the box date. Without doubt, and as they get older, cigars do mellow and loose flavour intensity. My contention is that my boxes and cigars pre 2002 are seemingly ageing well and smoking well, whereas boxes post 2006 are not doing as well, and that some LE and RE are declining so markedly I doubt they will ever come back.

Interesting to note that JJs include some top end NCs in their list of cigars to age. Input from US BOTL suggests that NC with thicker wrappers age well, but as to which those are I've not a clue.

[Ryan]

..My contention is that my boxes and cigars pre 2002 are seemingly ageing well and smoking well, whereas boxes post 2006 are not doing as well, and that some LE and RE are declining so markedly I doubt they will ever come back...

While I'm not disagreeing with you at all, to be honest I have not thought about it enough while smoking cigars to be able to give a good opinion. I do have my own opinion but I would only be guessing, really.
Why do you think that is happening? I got into a long thread on cA about this, with some very long posts.
While it might seem that I am being contentious, I'm really not trying to be. I would just like to find out the mechanism for whatever change might have happened. I haven't been able to figure out a possible cause yet.
Have you heard what it might be that has changed or would you hazard a guess? Is it strains, "cooking" the tobacco, longer fermentation, different blends etc?
The next time I go to Cuba I plan on spending a day or two in a sorting house/fermentation house, to see what goes on.
Having some idea on what might have changed could help steer me in the right direction when asking questions..


Edit. And sorry, to be clear, I'm not saying that there has been no change. it's just for the life of me I can't figure out what it might be.
Over the years, on different forums, I have seen people say it must be that the tobacco is "cooked" in the barns. i.e. artificially raising the temperature with a heater(s) and adjusting the humidity to cure the tobacco faster.
While some farmers use heaters in their barns to help curing along (I've been in one and I've seen the flues of a few more), this cannot be the reason, as most farmers still use the plain old fashioned wooden barns with windows and doors they open and close to adjust humidity and temperature. I've been in dozens of those.
When tobacco arrives at a sorting house from a farm it is all mixed together, so when it reaches the factory, there is no traceabilty which farm or barn it came from, only which sorting house. No one in the factory knows which tobacco has been cured completely naturally or with artificial help.

[tippexx]

My guess Ryan, and it is just a guess, is the plant in being made disease resistant has, or is loosing that special something that gave Cuban tobacco it's (exclusive) long term character and reliability for ageing. I'm not a botanist or an agronomist, or maybe I've just bought all the wrong boxes, but something isn't right.

Not that it matters. If people follow what JJ Fox and RMN advise there (hopefully) shouldn't be any issue with regular production cigars.

Example: Buy box of APR 2014 RyJ PC. Put away till 2017, smoke 'at prime' between 2017 and 2021. And for continuance remember to buy another box in 2018.